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Originally Posted by Karroko2
Okay so I was thinking a lot how to set up my stress relaxation.

And more and more it seems that a puley and incremental weights are not needed .

If I attach a bungee cord to the wall - attached to my continuous measuring hang scale - which is attached to my vac cup - isn’t this the easiest and still effective way of doing stress relaxation.

I push my self back from the attached bungee cord and I create tension - lets say the scale shows 1 kg . I remain still intill the load drops ( 0.8 kg for example),
So my penis tissues have relaxed and elongated. Then I create 1 kg tension again and wait for next moment of relaxation.

This should be stress relaxation and not creep-as the tension is locked from the wall to my penis. It is not constantly pulling like the case with hanging weights, constantly pulling because of gravity.

In my described setup it is stress relaxation,
Only if I constantly adjust my self to keep the tension to be 1 kg - then it becomes a mixture of creep and stress relaxation.

Am I correct?

You are in the right track, but missing one part of the equation.

First, yes, a bungee cord and pushing yourself away with your feet is correct, it works to replicate stress relaxation. However, once you create the tension, the bungee cord will keep pulling you because is trying to go back to its normal size. There will always be an X amount of tension tugging you and it will increase the more you push yourself away. So in principle is still creep. Maybe at a reduced load due to the mechanics of the bungee cord, but is still creep.

I did my first period successfully using a bungee cord based on creep.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi
You are in the right track, but missing one part of the equation.

First, yes, a bungee cord and pushing yourself away with your feet is correct, it works to replicate stress relaxation. However, once you create the tension, the bungee cord will keep pulling you because is trying to go back to its normal size. There will always be an X amount of tension tugging you and it will increase the more you push yourself away. So in principle is still creep. Maybe at a reduced load due to the mechanics of the bungee cord, but is still creep.

I did my first period successfully using a bungee cord based on creep.

Thank you for replying!

So then it remains the option to use hard non elastic cord or rope instead of elastic ,
So i pull my self to 1kg and wait for it to decrease. I already got the same yellow scale that Tutt used, so i can monitor any change.

I remember back on this thread someone was commenting this set up with Kyrpa and he advised him to connect a bungee cord to the nonelastic cord, but I don’t know how he was planning on locking the tension when having that bungee cord in set up.
As you said there will be always X anount of force pulling.

Originally Posted by Karroko2
Thank you for replying!

So then it remains the option to use hard non elastic cord or rope instead of elastic ,
So i pull my self to 1kg and wait for it to decrease. I already got the same yellow scale that Tutt used, so i can monitor any change.

I remember back on this thread someone was commenting this set up with Kyrpa and he advised him to connect a bungee cord to the nonelastic cord, but I don’t know how he was planning on locking the tension when having that bungee cord in set up.
As you said there will be always X anount of force pulling.

Yes that will work. One of the challenges with a non elastic rope and pushing away yourself, is the ability to remain completely quiet. It is natural to have some body movement of all kind constantly. You cant stay still like a mummy for 20 minutes. One way to mitigate this is to sit as relaxed as possible. Find a comfortable chair, couch, wahetevr it is, and make sure you’re comfortable ands relaxed.

On my second period I used a set of rubber bands between the scale and the rope as a buffer. And I will use them again. The purpose of this buffer is to reduce tat shakiness/vibration/movement that is natural to the body.

You can replicate the same effect if you bundle your bungee cord. Like food it on half. Or even 3 times depending on the length and elasticity. Basically making it harder to pull. However,, again, that will only produce creep since the cord will still have the ability to pull you back.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi
Yes that will work. One of the challenges with a non elastic rope and pushing away yourself, is the ability to remain completely quiet. It is natural to have some body movement of all kind constantly. You cant stay still like a mummy for 20 minutes. One way to mitigate this is to sit as relaxed as possible. Find a comfortable chair, couch, wahetevr it is, and make sure you’re comfortable ands relaxed.

On my second period I used a set of rubber bands between the scale and the rope as a buffer. And I will use them again. The purpose of this buffer is to reduce tat shakiness/vibration/movement that is natural to the body.

You can replicate the same effect if you bundle your bungee cord. Like food it on half. Or even 3 times depending on the length and elasticity. Basically making it harder to pull. However,, again, that will only produce creep since the cord will still have the ability to pull you back.

I read your thread and i remember you had great results with hybrid creep/stress relaxation. Then i remember you developed a set up with pulley and incremental weights and you were having a hard time locking the tension with a clamp where the rope ebters the pulley.
I was also thinking about that problem + the added weight from that clamp+ involving too much movement increasing load with weight and clamping the rope , all that will give time to my penis being non streched . I want to keep increasing its lenght from start to end ( cool-down phase is over) without going backwards ( resuming even for a few seconds to non streched condition.

A way to put the buffer is to attach the bungee cord to the wall, then attach it to non elastic rope and that rope goes through a pulley , then comes the luggage scale and the vac cup. To lock the tension I clamp the non elastic rope at where it enters the pulley , so tension is locked from there to my penis tissue and there is no X amount of force pulling once stress Relaxation is achieved. But again I can’t figure securing the clamp ( has to be a solid clamp for loads higher than 1 kg), my hands are not that long especially when im laying back on my bean bag.

1.) You increase the load only after the penis has lengthened. But it could also be a loosening of the vacuum in the cap. It won’t stay the same for the whole hour. And that would be false lengthening.

2.) Do you think it’s that critical to sit unmoved? If the load increases by movement by say 200 grams and then you go back to the original position. Would that stop the growth?


Sorry for my English

Originally Posted by Tutt
My firm opinion is that “newbie gains” have little to do with the penis organ, but instead are fully determined by the collagen orientation and stiffness of the supporting ligaments and musculature. IOW, they can’t really be called “gains”. One hasn’t gained anything per se, but instead something more akin to increased range of motion achieved by loosening the suspensory ligaments and pelvic floor.

In certain cases, particularly those of very infrequent and/or low EQ erections, general stretching exercises might result in a loosening/lengthening of the TA as well, but that would be the exception rather than the rule. Most men will naturally experience sufficient longitudinal tension on the TA to ensure that it doesn’t contract over time. Unfortunately, most also will masterbate frequently enough while strongly contracting the pelvic floor, that it is highly likely the structure is tight and constricted. Involuntary contraction of the pelvic floor must be consciously trained out of most men. And there isn’t inherently very much stress on the suspensory ligaments via natural erection. In fact, evolutionarily the ligs are meant to favor a constricted state. All that to suggest that newbie gains are just a loosening up of what is already there, which is why most realize it and occasionally some don’t, based on the pre-existing tissue state and environmental stressors.

But getting back on topic… I personally do not advise a newbie to go through a manual newbie protocol and exhaust newbie gains first. IMO, that is highly counterproductive. While it is effective at loosening the supporting structures, I think it also starts you down the path of toughening the TA and making actual gains more difficult. It is really difficult to get this community to abandon the idea that you must somehow safely injure the pens to get gains.

Personally, I think an injury-free approach is the safest and most effective starting point, which is coincidentally most congruent with Kyrpa’s approach.

Applause!

Originally Posted by Holdion
1.) You increase the load only after the penis has lengthened. But it could also be a loosening of the vacuum in the cap. It won’t stay the same for the whole hour. And that would be false lengthening.
2.) Do you think it’s that critical to sit unmoved? If the load increases by movement by say 200 grams and then you go back to the original position. Would that stop the growth?

I think if it your glans fully expand inside the cup and there are no air pockets and silicone sleeve is sealing on top, vac shouldn’t be lost. My vac cup is transparent and I will monitor for any air pockets throughout phase 1 ( longest phase 30 mins) , if i see any air I will pump it out with my hose pump.

Haven’t begin practicing stress relaxation yet , but I plan on having multiple sessions and log with measurements in order to determine the most efficient load range for myself.

If my setup doesn’t work , it will evolve to something that works …

Hello everyone , I have been following the us protocol for a while now with no results I start with 1.5 kg and end up at 3 kg with a temperature of 42 degrees , what else could I try ?

Originally Posted by personalized

Hello everyone , I have been following the us protocol for a while now with no results I start with 1.5 kg and end up at 3 kg with a temperature of 42 degrees , what else could I try ?

What exactly did you do from a-z?

What training did you do prior and for how long and with how much force?


[before PE] Start BPFSL: 17.6cm (6.93 inches) start BPEL: 16.7cm (6.57 inches)

[currently decon until aug 2024] latest BFPSL: 21.2cm (8.35 inches) latest BPEL: 19.5cm (7,68 inches) latest NBPEL: 17cm (6.69 inches)

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Originally Posted by CBateman

What exactly did you do from a-z?

What training did you do prior and for how long and with how much force?

hello I have mounted a pulley under my desk with a cord on it and on one side hangs the basket with the weights and on the other side the 2 s hooks with a rubber band in between and then the AWS scale and then the vacuum cup and the cup itself rests on a piece of plastic foil that it slides better, and my penis is turned over on my leg with 2 perfect prime probes underneath and I used to go through everything from newbie exercises to coaching with my coach to hanging with a lg hanger with probably way too much weight, with the result that I have never grown anything .

BPFSL : 17 cm

Originally Posted by personalized
hello I have mounted a pulley under my desk with a cord on it and on one side hangs the basket with the weights and on the other side the 2 s hooks with a rubber band in between and then the AWS scale and then the vacuum cup and the cup itself rests on a piece of plastic foil that it slides better, and my penis is turned over on my leg with 2 perfect prime probes underneath and I used to go through everything from newbie exercises to coaching with my coach to hanging with a lg hanger with probably way too much weight, with the result that I have never grown anything .
BPFSL : 17 cm

Did you read this whole thread, maybe you can find whats missing?

Originally Posted by personalized
hello I have mounted a pulley under my desk with a cord on it and on one side hangs the basket with the weights and on the other side the 2 s hooks with a rubber band in between and then the AWS scale and then the vacuum cup and the cup itself rests on a piece of plastic foil that it slides better, and my penis is turned over on my leg with 2 perfect prime probes underneath and I used to go through everything from newbie exercises to coaching with my coach to hanging with a lg hanger with probably way too much weight, with the result that I have never grown anything .
BPFSL : 17 cm

How much weight you start with?
How much do you add every how often?
How much time you’re doing cold stress relaxation and how much time US stress relaxation?
Are you cooling down? for how long?


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi

How much weight you start with?

How much do you add every how often?

How much time you’re doing cold stress relaxation and how much time US stress relaxation?

Are you cooling down? For how long?

hi iggi I have been following you for a while from another forum and have already read everything several times and do it as follows: 30 min relaxation (sometimes straight ahead towards the pulley and sometimes over one leg) then follows the 20 min with the us pro 2 edition where I easily reach 42 degrees and then cool down for another 10 minutes, and for the weights I start with 1.25 kg and increase the weight with 200 grams every 3 to 5 minutes. I hope you know a little more with this thanks in advance everyone for the help

Originally Posted by personalized
Hi iggi I have been following you for a while from another forum and have already read everything several times and do it as follows: 30 min relaxation (sometimes straight ahead towards the pulley and sometimes over one leg) then follows the 20 min with the us pro 2 edition where I easily reach 42 degrees and then cool down for another 10 minutes, and for the weights I start with 1.25 kg and increase the weight with 200 grams every 3 to 5 minutes. I hope you know a little more with this thanks in advance everyone for the help

May I ask how you reach 42 degrees easily with the US Pro 2? Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by personalized
hi iggi I have been following you for a while from another forum and have already read everything several times and do it as follows: 30 min relaxation (sometimes straight ahead towards the pulley and sometimes over one leg) then follows the 20 min with the us pro 2 edition where I easily reach 42 degrees and then cool down for another 10 minutes, and for the weights I start with 1.25 kg and increase the weight with 200 grams every 3 to 5 minutes. I hope you know a little more with this thanks in advance everyone for the help

Do not change positions. Keep your penis in the same place and position throughout the entire time. Make sure your body is as steady as possible. Do not move. The only thing that can move is your penis as it slowly stretches with the incremental weight. And of course you can move your arms only to operate the weights.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

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