Hanging: Ride the Fatigue (Blink's Progress)

Thank you!

After a month decon break I’m finally back to PE. It seems I finally healed some issues that came up during my first year of pumping.

My ADS sessions were just 45 minutes and 1 hour so far. My pumping sessions were only 5 minutes, and I’ve gone back to 2 days on, 1 rest day.

I haven’t decided how fast to increase back to my old durations (I was up to 2.5 hours ADS & 10 minutes pumping).

Start small and give it a week between step increases.

You might not gain as much with shorter times and intensities, but you’re not gaining at all while you’re recovering from an injury.

100% . That’s sound advice.

I was in a cycle of injury, decon breaks & re-injury many years ago & ultimately, it led to me quitting PE for many years. I don’t want to get back into that situation again. It also stunted my PE growth when I kept getting injured.. after a month decon break, it’s possible I’ll gain more from 1 hour sessions than I was gaining from my 2.5 hour sessions after 1 year of PE.

I’ll be debating step size for ADS.. is it 15 minutes per week, 20 minutes, etc.

For water pumping, I only do 10 minute sessions max, so even if I only add 1 minute per week, I’ll be back at my maximum in 5 weeks.

Welcome to the club! It took me an embarrassingly long time to come to the same conclusion.

In the end, you’ll just have to pick one and run with it. And you’ll probably still run up to some limit and get a blister. At least, in my case, that seems to be around four hours with just the cap and sleeve as a "maintaining the stretched flaccid" and no extender or hanger hardware. The limit seems to be time, not tension.

I kept reading about the guys who could start off hanging or extending much higher loads than my maximum, and do it essentially for all day. Which was downright depressing. Hopefully you’ll come in closer to that group than mine.

If we all responded the same to every technique, we could just put a FAQ on the opening page and close the rest of the site down, because there’d be no need to discuss anything.

Generally, the further you progress, the smaller the steps you can take. Sort of like weightlifting. Eventually you’ll add that next minute and get a blister, and you’ll have to stop, heal, and restart. Then you know what the limit is, and can stay below it.

There’s also the "minimum effective dose" idea. If you get a certain amount of gains at 3 pounds of tension, multiplying it to 6, 15, or 21 pounds might only make a tiny difference. If going from 3 to 21 only increased rate of gains by 5%, it probably wouldn’t be worth it, when the lighter weight would be far more comfortable and easy to manage. If it doubled the gains, it would definitely be worth it. That’s why I annoy people by suggesting they keep detailed logs; without data, you’re just guessing.

I appreciate the thoughts AndyJ, very helpful.

I logged everything for my first several months but got more lazy recently.. I still log things, just far less often..

One thing to keep in mind, I was using worn-out vac ADS parts when I got injured, so I think my "limit" will not apply now (since I got some fresh parts that actually fit me correctly now).

Been back to PE a little while, just starting my 4th week after a month off. Right now I’m just happy to finally be back & not injured.

My routine is just 1-water pumping with kegels and 2-vac ADS, with a focus on length gains (but I welcome girth gains too).

1-Water Pumping(was up to 6 minutes, now going down to just 3 minutes):
-I was very surprised I couldn’t ramp up pumping more quickly.
-Week 1: 5 minute sesions
-Week 2: 6 minute sessions. experienced abdominal pain (not penis) — so strange.. no visible injury
-Week 3: break
-Week 4: 3 minute sessions.

For me, 10 minute sessions are optimal (I’ve got great girth, flaccid & even EQ/ length gains from it), so working back to that is my goal. What’s interesting is 3 minutes of water puming still gives a half decent effect, maybe 50% or 60% of what I get with a 10 minute session. I’ll slowly work up to that over several weeks.

2- Vac ADS (up to 1.5 hour sessions already):
Week 1: i started with 30 minutes, then 45 minutes then 60 minutes.
Week 2: 75 minute sessions
Week 3: 90 minute sessions
Week 4: still 90 minute sessions for now.

Pumping for EQ & BPEL growth:
I have a theory that pumping past my BPEL is helping with my EQ and BPEL gains (not just girth & flaccid gains). I’ve heard it’s proven it takes more than 10hg to pump past BPEL, but I don’t think that’s at all safe right after taking a month off (and having had some minor issues with blood vessels in my penis in the past pumping to the max 15hg for 10 minutes). However, I do miss getting 0.5" or more past my BPEL in the pump, so I’m going to work towards that again… I’m only pumping to my BPEL for now. I was 7.5" in the pump as far back as 6 months before I reached that number outside the pump. I am looking forward to when I can get past 8" in the pump… so far I’ve never pumped past about 7.9".

Goal: 8" x 6"
Length: 80%+ of the way there @ 7.625" BPEL. I gained 0.875" BPEL last year & 0.75" during early 3ish PE years. — I’m still 0.375" away from my length goal.
Girth: 55% of the way there @ 6.5" base BSEG / 5.5" mid-shaft girth MSEG, but not much over 5" near glans).

Last year was my 4th year of PE. I hope to at least reach my 8" length goals this year (my 5th year of PE). Regardless, my plan is minimum time & effort go into PE, and I’ll just stay the course with the current approach as long as the gains keep coming.

I’m still only pumping 4 minutes & vac ADS is up to 1.5hrs. I’m a long way from my old routine 10 minutes water pumping & 2.5 hours vac ADS — but I’m in no rush, I’ll get back there slowly.

My pumping sessions are still only at 5 minutes, and my vac ADS sessions are back to 2 hours, but very light pressure. My injury was actually 3-4 months ago; I have just been really cautious about ramping things up. My injury was what appeared to be a vac ADS blister (but it wasn’t clearly a blister — that’s just my best guess).

- I find 5 minute pumping sessions far less effective than 10 minute ones, but I am taking it slow to avoid injury.
- Just over a year ago I remember only pumping to 6.5" BPEL early on for months, so it’s nice motivation to see I am pumping to 7.95" now while in the tube.
- My BPEL outside the tube hasn’t changed much (I went a full 5-6 months with no visible gains & suddenly jumped to 7.625" my current size late last year).

[points accusatory finger] You didn’t write it down, did you?

haha. i don’t think i did write it down…. i didn’t always log BPEL in the tube because i didn’t realize it was worth tracking until i had a few months experience pumping.

one issue was the pressure was so light early on, the tube was probably giving wrong measurements .. so maybe I was really pumping 6.75" who knows.

i noticed my penis was turtling yesterday, with a much smaller flaccid than usual.. i then decided to use my hand as a frame of reference and realized my "turtled" penis was still probably over 4.5"..

i noticed my flaccid suffered during my month decon break & even recently I’m seeing flaccid improvements, due to pumping. even with reduced pumping sessions i’m getting great results..

current routine:
my routine is 2 hours vac ADS/ 6 minutes pumping..

dull pumping pain:
I haven’t increased pumping because right at 6 minutes i feel a slight, dull abdominal pain (nothing to do with my penis), and i’ve decied it’s not worth pushing that.. i only feel it when i pump; it’s weird becuase i’m in good shape/ workout regularly & have no physical issues I"m aware of..

my max pump size is still slightly under 8" in tube, but I’m more consistently measuring 7.5" to 7.625" BPEL outside the tube. My last 0.33" jump in size was after 5-6 months of no BPEL gains (but I was making major gains in the tube only).

I’ve started increasing the tension a bit on my ADS — I’ve decided it was probably too light. I’ll see if that helps trigger some progress again.

Do you feel that the tunica expansion in the tube is slowing the length gain? Based on what we know about the tunica’s structure, I’ve been wondering if the direction of stress — radial vs longitudinal — plays a much bigger role in tissue adaptation than many realize.

1.) Fibril Orientation Dictates Tissue Behavior
- The tunica albuginea isn’t uniform — it contains two primary collagen fiber directions:

- Longitudinal fibers (aligned with shaft) — respond to traction/stretching

- Circumferential fibers (wrapped around the shaft) — resist radial pressure
These fibers are crimped when flaccid, meaning they have slack — and must be deformed past their elastic threshold for remodeling to occur (Kelly, 1999; Hou et al., 2019).

2.) Pumping = Radial Stress (Circumferential Fibrils)
- Pumping pushes pressure outward, targeting circumferential expansion

- This thickens and reinforces the radial resistance of the tunica

But this can create “circumferential stiffening” — making it harder to stretch longitudinally over time.

I’m sure you are packing out the tube stopping the circumferential pressure. What are your thoughts on this? I’d love to know what your experiences have shown you.

based on anecdotal evidence, pumping may be helping my length gains.

i gained 0.875" last year with vac ADS + pumping, which was my 3rd year of PE (and my best year by far for length gains).

i think pumping 0.5" past my max BPEL helped too… pumping definitely helped my EQ as well; it’s the highest it’s been in years.

as far as "stiffening" or increasing toughness of the tunica goes, my pumping sessions don’t go more than 10 minutes & my vac ADS is relatively light pressure, most likely I’m just not triggering much of a negative response. in contrast, i used to hang 6 sessions per day with as much as 20lbs & wasn’t gaining much length (although I did gain 1.5" base girth). i believe my month long decon break a few months ago helped mitigate tunica toughness as well.

Good to hear. I’ve avoided my pump for now as it causes EQ issues for me. Even if I only do short sessions with 3-5 inHG my EQ drops making PE difficult for the next day or two. The tunica retracts hard after use. I have worked to condition in the tube but due to the set backs I’m only going to focus on hanging for now. With hanging I want to make sure that I can get maximum effect out of very little weight and recovery has show to be one of the best tools I could use. That coupled with the ADS for 6-8hours has been taking care of it for me. I agree with the thought that stretching past your BPEL in tube would promote growth. What kind of pressure do you have to achieve to stretch beyond your BPEL? I would have to go above 10 inHG. Ten minutes of that and I would look like a real 🍆.