Nine progress thread

Hello,

So I have decided to start a progress report so I can add to the plethora of information that is already here at thunders.

BACKGROUND: I started my PE journey back in 2002 after seeing advertisements in porno about making your dick bigger, but they all cost money. I figured that somehow somewhere there was free info about PE and which lead me here. Thinking that thousands of different individuals were conversing on a forum and stating gains, I figured that either 1) A few individuals really have it out to make dudes fuck their dicks up and are posting a bunch of fake posts, or 2) PE might actually be legit. So I gave it a go..

I started in 2002 at 6.2” x 4.7”, and I did consistent PE training for ~3 years to which I grew to 8.25” x 5.6”. During those three years it consisted of minor stretching (10 mins a day) and basic wet jelq routines (regular/Uli/squeezes/bends/etc) for ~45 minutes a day about 4-5 times a week. At times I would take a 4-6 weeks off every 8-12 months, otherwise I would take a week or two off. Towards the end I started hanging for ~6 months with the captains wench, and jelqing. I also dabbled in pumping, but I only did that a few times because I never became comfortable with inflating my dick, and it seemed like the gains I saw from pumping weren’t ever going to cement because of it just being fluid build-up. I had the occasional injury; as in a few times I had a thrombosed vein at the base of my penis, a couple times I got fluid spot build up on my shaft closer towards the head of my penis which took 2-3 days to go away, and a couple times I bled through my urethra, but that stopped by the next day. As I read about the injuries it seemed like others had similar experiences and although they freaked me out, I would stop PEing for a week or two, then start back up.

I took the next 12 years off, and would occasionally dry jelq in the shower (maybe 2-3 times a week, then wait 4-6 months, then do it again, basically whenever I remembered and felt like pumping my dick up).

NOW: Currently I have a lot of free time, and a few weeks ago I was dry jelqing in the shower, and afterwards I noticed that when standing and putting by dick against my stomach it finally went past my belly button, which was a first. So I thought, “hey that’s pretty cool, I want to try and make it so that happens all the time”, so I decided to start PE back up again and go for the nine.

THE FIRST THREE WEEKS:
The first three weeks this was my routine of dry jelqs for ~20-30 mins a day

A) standard try jelq

B) Standard erect squeeze

C) (I don’t know if this has a name but here is the technique) 1) get semi hard then grasp the base of the penis to hold blood in. 2) stimulate self and loosen grip while kegeling at same time to engorge penis in semi erect state. 3) once penis is fully engorged in semi erect state, while grasping base of penis to keep blood in, grasp head of penis with other hand. 4) GENTLY/SLIGHTLY pull penis upward towards your face, predominantly with the hand on the head of the penis, while the base hand follows the pull of the hand pulling the head. (I.e. Pull with the hand on the head of penis towards your face, and as much as you pull the head towards you, pull the base of penis just as far, probably only a few millimeters).

While doing technique C, I would be sitting upwards/laying on my back (laying in bed with my back up against the pillows), and have the soles of my feet touching each other (like when you do a butterfly stretch when stretching your legs), and I would focus on feeling the inner part of my penis (beneath the testicles/inner penis) stretch.

For some reason I feel like technique C is what lead me to have my penis reach over my belly button after the sessions.

CURRENT ROUTINE:
1) Wake up, hang 5 lbs for 30 mins, dry jelq for 10 mins, go to gym and workout for 45 mins, dry jelq in shower for 10 mins.

2) Hang for 2 sets of 30 mins in the evening, then dry jelq for 20-30 mins afterwards

3) Occasionally stretch whenever I remember too

SUPPLEMENTS:
1) I take protein powder every day after my gym workouts, and also drink protein powder for dinner sometimes in combination with whatever I am cooking. So ~40-60 grams of protein powder per day

2) I recently started taking L-arginine and L-ornithine before my workouts at the gym, and before going to bed (3 grams of arginine and 2 grams of ornithine each time). I do this to increase my human growth hormone during my workouts (I have read REAL scientific studies showing that combo of Arginine, and ornithine increase human growth hormone levels during gym workouts compared to placebo groups), and perhaps it increases it at night as well

3) Zinc, Magnesium and Vitamin B6, its a supplement for bodybuilders and has been indicated to increase testosterone levels slightly, it also helps me sleep and I do feel my a good soreness to my muscles when I wake up in the middle of the night to pee when taking it. I take the bottles instructions 30 minutes before bed.

4) Lecithin: I started taking lecithin after reading the “holy grail of cum loads” post. Although I started taking it for increased “load” amount, I now take it to help me with my cognitive function, in conjunction with perhaps a slight increase in “load” amount. Honestly, I do notice a difference and have increased sense of smell, taste, and awareness, also I feel like my overall anxiety has decreased. I take 1,200Mg pills 3-5 times a day (1 in the morning, 1 at lunch, 1 at night, and sometimes in between)

5) Phygeum (that’s not how its spelled, but spell checker won’t let me post actual name): Same as for lecithin, I started taking it to increase load amount. I do not notice any other effects from taking it. I take 100Mg in the morning when waking up

CURRENT HEALTH:
I am a very fit individual and workout 6-7 days a week for 45 to 60 mins a day doing 20-30 mins of cardiovascular workout, and 20-30 mins of weightlifting.

I will post PE gains (hopefully) at end of May.

I’m just curious if you lost any of your gains over the last 12 years before you started up again with PE….

Yeah! My gains never went away! I didn’t measure length frequently, and girth much often less, but when I did my length was usually around the same (maybe a little less because of erection quality), but never below 8.0 BPEL or 5.5 MS EG

Nice routine. And I always love reading reports of permanent gains.

Yes. I agree on both counts.

Hey guys,

So here’s my update

Last week I took the week off due to a vacation I had planned. Therefore last week I only did light stretching (~2 mins/day) in the shower and some days I did quick dry jelqs. That week off helped heal my dick and afterwards my dick felt stretchier and the color/redness disappeared. Overall I think it was a good break.

I’ve also added an extender to my routine (I bought one a year ago but never really wore it after a week). However I feel like adding it to the end of my hanging sessions will help solidify any stretching that happens from the hanging. So now after my evening hanging routines I use an extender until I go to bed, so I probably wear one for ~2-4 hours after hanging.

QUESTION!!

So I am not sure on the proper way to use an extender and the ‘length of extension while wearing it’ vs. ‘BPS FL’ (bone pressed stretch flaccid length). Right now I am at 22 cm BPS FL and when I first started the extender before my vacation I was wearing it at ~18cm while measuring bone pressed with my dick horizontal to my body. Now I currently wear it at ~20.5 cm bone pressed when wearing it. My question is, should I try to be wearing it at 22 cm? It feels comfortable right now at 20.5 but maybe I could go for more?

So basically, if you wear an extender, how stretched is your dick while wearing it compared to your maximum BPS FL?

P.S. Gains (hopefully) will be posted at end of this month

As an extender wearer, it is more a matter of personal comfort. Stretching to your Bone Pressed Stretched Flaccid Length seems like the intuitive thing to do but often triggers a physical reflex inside of your penis to resist stimuli. Doing it while comfortable however, with a slight stretch, helped me extend much better over long periods of time.

Thanks for the reply thoughtfulgold!

I’ve taken your advice and started wearing it at a more comfortable tension. The few times I tried wearing an extender while pushing towards my max I felt sharp discomfort where the device was holding onto my penis after about 10-20 mins. However, after measuring while wearing it at a more comfortable tension I’ve realized that I get about the same amount of stretch depending on my relaxation at the time without any discomfort.

Update

So I have been doing straight PE for the past 7 days since getting off my week break using my routine stated above. Unfortunately from jelqing I have a very minor soreness/bruising that I believe will go away in the next day or two, so I will not be jelqing until it feels better. However I am continuing to hang and use the extender, along with stretching for warming up/cooling down.

QUESTION! (I would like to hear your input thoughtfulgold if you read this, since you are an extender wearer)

Do you think you would gain more from hanging for 1 hour with two 30 min sessions and then wearing an extender for 2-4 hours?
OR
Do you think it would be more beneficial to hang for 2 hours with four 30 min sessions and wearing an extender for 2-3 hours?

Basically, if I can hang rather than extend, should I hang instead of wearing an extender?

You ask a loaded question. As you went from having trouble wearing an extender at max tension to hanging for extended periods then trying to extend for extended periods.

The entire process looks like a dick overload and sure to slow or stop gains. That amount of traction per day, especially hanging combined with the extender, doesn’t look like it has a good answer.

Or a better way for me to put it is that guys can get gains doing literally half of what you’re proposing. So either the hanging or extender. No need for both and very likely that both will cause a gains stop or injury.

Combined with heavy jelqing and 7 day workouts…I don’t see good things happening.

That’s a wise concern and thank you for letting me know!

I have been doing low amount of weights during hanging (5 lbs, which is from what I understand the weight you are supposed to start at if you have done PE in the past). Currently hanging gives me little to no discomfort and since I am doing a low weight, that is why I try to push for longer sessions. From what I understand/believe, low intensity and longer duration’s are better than high intensity hanging, but obviously that is just my/one opinion.

The reason I added an extender was to try to train my dick to staying in an elongated state after my “higher” intensity hanging sessions. Thanks to your advice I haven’t tried to push my tension while wearing the extender and always wear it at a comfortable tension. Therefore I never feel any discomfort while wearing it, thus I never feel any real pain or annoyance. Therefore I don’t believe I am overwhelming my dick, but rather ‘training’ it to stay in a longer state.

For jelqing, I do try to do higher intensity during that, which is why I feel that I have that minor soreness right now, which is why I am not jelqing for a couple days until it feels better.

For rest days, I always rest if I feel like my dick hurts or it just doesn’t feel like what I am doing will benefit me because I am overburdening my dick. Thus I haven’t really taken a rest day, but rather some days I just do less than others.

And thank you for your input and concerns! I really appreciate it!

It’s a matter of “raw hours under load” as…there are pros and cons to each pattern of trauma you can adopt.

Generally, the higher your raw time under load the more your dick will want to resist. This is a cumulative effect that can stall gains long term even if no injury is present or occurs.

You dance with the devil known as injury the longer your raw time under load. With shorter durations even miraculous things are possible, but at any point…the duration of any activity needs to be monitored for safety. Something good for a few minutes or seconds at a time can be catastrophic when applied for hours at a time.

The amount of time under load you describe is just a red flag for me. Even if “it’s comfortable” I suggest care and caution. That’s all.

Thanks thoughtfulgold, and I have heeded your advice. After reading this thread: Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth! I realized that the days I hang for more than 2-3 separate 20-30 min sessions I do get negative personal indicators (PI). So instead of hanging more, I use an extender when I can (2-4 hours a day) at a comfortable tension.

So here are my gains from starting to now which is about 7 weeks:

Length
START: 210 mm (~8.3”) CURRENT: 213 mm (~8.4”)

Girth
START: 141 mm (~5.6”) CURRENT: 147 mm (~5.8”)

Also I have been changing my routine as I progress depending on how my dick responds. For example, from doing dry jelqs I was getting irritated skin at the base of my dick, so I started to incorporate lube/moisturizer and thus started doing wet jelqs here and there. I use various jelqing methods however the main one I do is where I am ~80-90% erect, grab base tightly, and pull slowly up towards my face (so the angle of my inner dick and visible dick are in the straightest line possible). I do not pull along the skin, but I do tug and force engorgement in my dick. I think this is what a Uli is considered? I also do squeezes randomly, and will do standard jelqs in the warm up phase of my jelq session.

As I mentioned earlier I also incorporated an extender when I can. Also I wear a C-ring for ~1 hour a day after my morning routine (see first post under CURRENT ROUTINE) while at the gym. I get a full erection to get as much blood in my dick as possible, then apply it at the base of my dick and do not include any scrotal skin so that way my sack doesn’t pull up into the ring while running. The C-ring is a silicone sleeve with ~1 inch diameter that is about 1.5 inches long that I bought from ab silicone. It does not cause any discomfort and I remove it after my workouts.

I will post another gain update in ~6-8 weeks

I switched taking Pygeum from the morning when I wake up to right before going to sleep. After doing that I can DEFINITELY notice a difference in the amount of pre-ejaculate in the morning when I wake up now compared to when I would take a pill when I wake up and then wake up the next morning. When I was just taking Pygeum in the morning I didn’t really notice any effect at all, just a slight increase maybe but nothing drastic/definitely noticeable. Just thought I would share in case someone else has noticed something similar

Also I stopped taking lecithin, it was just too many pills I was taking in the morning on an empty stomach

I still take 2 milligrams of Arginine, and 1 milligram of orthinine every morning before going to the gym. I take another dose sometimes before my evening PE sessions to possibly help with nitric oxide levels during my PE session. However, I haven’t really noticed any big effect when taking it or not before my PE sessions, sometimes it is easier to maintain ~70-90% erection when taking it before, but that could just be due to natural reasons (I.e. Relaxation/stress/what’s on my mind).

I still take the ZMA at night too, I personally think it has helped a lot with my recovery period while sleeping. One noticeable side effect while taking it is that it really makes me have to poop in the morning.

I also still drink the protein powder after my workouts