Gain .5 inch/month with no excersizes

You may or may not be aware that Par from Avant labs was going to bring out a product exactly for this purpose. The name of the product was “Hung”. It never happened of course because the FDA got on his back about the labeling on his products (calling them topical when they were in fact transdermal - which is classed as a drug delivery method). As a result he had to pull *all* of his pro-hormone products. There was also a very active thread on the forum about “Hung” at his site, which strangely disappeared shortly after the FDA ultimatum.

wanna,

No offense taken mate. The thing about being a mod here is you get a whole backstory to fill in the gaps. Very few decisions are taken on the spur of the moment or without some kind of consensus.

Shiver,

Interesting. Its another world for me not being a body builder type. Are you suggesting that other methods are having to be employed to shift product at all? I really can’t read between the lines on this one.

I think the mistake was not canning the thread earlier on.

I stated in the mods forum that I thought that is what should happen.

I didn’t recommend canning jonesy at that time but it appears he would have gotten in trouble anyway.

I don’t know the facts, but to me it looks like 1Fast400 is the main shop front for avant prohormones. Although they are seperate businesses, Mike and Par do seem to get on well. I have quite a lot of stock of Avant prohormones, and when I PM’d him about future availability he said that he could technically still supply me as “I know you”. I don’t know him of course, other than having done business with him.

I remember a thread at his site when someone suggested that they start production in another country, since people could still import for personal use. His comment was something along the lines of ‘watch this space’ (not verbatim).

For now, you can only buy the gels, which are sold as [ahem] cosmetic creams, then you can add what you like yourself. I do not know if anybody actually tried “Hung” as the ingredients were never disclosed, but the forum consensus was 3Alpha. No one on that board seemed to consider using 3Alpha to be overly dangerous (relatively speaking), but non of them ever readily admitted to wanting a bigger unit either. That made finding information very difficult.

Thanks.

It occurs to me that there are enough different subjects in this thread to initiate several other threads. Personally I’d like to see a thread on transdermal delivery mechanisms for for dummies (like me) :)

What I don’t understand is why the supplements forum is generally quite neglected when a lot of people seem to be very knowledgable.

Well this turned in to a major pile of horse shit didn’t it. I can’t say I’m a supporter of the ban decision but even I got tired of being jones’s fairy god mother in the moderator forum the guy can really get under peoples skin.
He seems to be a smart kid but he acts likes a kid with no social skills. Well anyway let try to salvage something out of this cluster fuck and keep the experiment going to the end and see if it works or not.

Dino

All in all this seems to be a very active thread. It has had so many views because we are all seeking the holy grail of PE. I have to say that many of the posts in here are way above my head and mean very little.

I am sure I speak for quite a few readers when I say we still want to see the gains - all health warnings have been understood! Have any of the people that are trying this seen any gains that could be worth the possible risks?

There are a few that have tried every method and not noticed any real gains, could this be the answer or just another road to disapointment?

I believe there is an answer in there, but I do not believe that using 4AD *alone* will do much for most people. I would expect very different responses from different people using the same product, as our bodies all respond differently. For example: I do not know what it feels like to be wired on caffiene, it just doesn’t affect me that way. Someone who knows it well might disbelieve me. OTOH I cannot tolerate yohimbine or pot. People tell me they’re great, but my body disagrees.

Despite my belief in the possibility, I’m not about to give up PE. Even if I had a product that did exactly what it said on the tin, the benefits of PE go way beyond merely those of size.

Memento,
I hadn’t even noticed that there was a supplements thread. The reason is probably that I come to the site and look at the most recent threads. Which board it comes under has never been apparent to me. If you want to start some other threads, I’d be happy to pitch in what little I know. Transdermal technology is what interests me most right now though. That is what I’m studying, as before I touch any of this stuff I want to know that I can make it go where I want it to, and the least possible anywhere else. I am not concerned about BPH (for long winded reasons), but I am concerned about hair loss and increased body hair, hence my interest in local delivery.

Yes, I figured that 4ad would have a lower success rate than 3alpha. 3alpha is much more problematic though. Without testing some of my theories on this, I am not going to release my proposal. We are only helping Advent come up with answers by posting this in a public forum.

I do not believe the FDA is involved with Advent labs. I believe that they are nearly there and wanted to keep the Hung carrier a secret.

I read through the whole thread at Pheromones | Home Page | Love-Scent.com
It was pleasant, rather balanced (Jones did not dominate
the discussion), and "whitehall" gave useful information.
If anyone really is interested in this idea, perhaps best
to go to that board, sign up, and participate there.

"Editors note: I am not going to give the name of the substance that has been shown to be effective as a vehicle for local delivery at this time. I may do so when the product comes out, as it has to listed on the label. Though we have filed a patent on it, there are many companies whom that will not stop from attempting to steal our intellectual property. They lack the intelligence and creativity to discover this sort of thing on there own (as well as the integrity to think such things matter) so they choose to make their money in this manner. "

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Advent labs product LipoDerm-Y.

I have Lipoderm-Y right here. What do you want to know?

Bear in mind however that Lipo does not penetrate deep like we want it to, but it does hold well at the dermis. The whole aim of the Lipo carrier was to avoid systemic release since one dose is about 100mg of yohimbine (tablets are usually around 3mg to give you an idea).

Well, there goes that….. Thanks for the info. I thought maybe they had used #3 in another product. It is their discovery and they are free to use it how they see fit. I just dont like the idea of a single company having the keys to this. There is another way I believe

Local delivery being of the up most importance. 4ad has worked somewhat for me but I figured that it would be a hit and miss thing.

Has anyone else gained like Jones as of yet? He is using IPM. Maybe a better vehicle is that way to go.

Cya

I don’t think anybody as reported any real gains, except a better flaccid hang and a more meaty kind of feeling except for Jones