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Then we might call this a big waste of time if no one reports gains. I have always been an easy gainer. So my gains are pretty normal for me (lucky me). Lets just hold off and see if anyone else reports gains. If not then I would say this was a waste of time and effort.
I am trying 3alpha+MSM.
Cya@8.
Originally posted by Shiver
You may or may not be aware that Par from Avant labs was going to bring out a product exactly for this purpose. The name of the product was “Hung”. It never happened of course because the FDA got on his back about the labeling on his products (calling them topical when they were in fact transdermal - which is classed as a drug delivery method). As a result he had to pull *all* of his pro-hormone products. There was also a very active thread on the forum about “Hung” at his site, which strangely disappeared shortly after the FDA ultimatum.
It’s still there.
Do a search for “hung”, make sure you set the search engine to go back the entire year.
Originally posted by penismith
I feel the same about Nearlythere. He comes flying in, posts a couple of studies, insults Jones to a point that would not be tolerated in any other thread and then says he is bored and leaves.
Yeah, that was stupid, and I apologize to the board for the immature behavior.
If anyone wants to continue to discuss this I’m up for it.
Welcome back NearlyThere. Would you like to add to this? I am curious on your ideas concerning the carrier. I am assuming you thought of 7-keto to help with GH. Also sure that you can protect the prostate with a 5ar inhibitor. Still looking for ‘local’ delivery method.
Thats your field of study, right?
Originally posted by Cya at 8
Welcome back NearlyThere. Would you like to add to this? I am curious on your ideas concerning the carrier. I am assuming you thought of 7-keto to help with GH. Also sure that you can protect the prostate with a 5ar inhibitor. Still looking for 'local' delivery method.Thats your field of study, right?
Actually….I was just going to shoot 2iu of rHGH a day if/when I tried something like this.
I’m a BIG fan of rHGH as it is.
I’m actually clueless on how to protect the prostrate, and that’s why I’m not going to try this yet.
And yeah, local delivery is the key, and that’s pretty tough as well, especially since we want to deliver a hormone, and not a active like yohimbine. Very different actives, that require different carriers.
Have a nice weekend all!
This is from the Avant Labs web site.
“Hung ” – Yep, it is what you think it is. Dazed and I co-developed this one. He came up with the theory, I designed the appropriate formula. You rub it on, it grows. No shit?? We will see.”
i’ve been following this interesting thread a few weeks, on the heels of my own intuitions on topical or transdermal application of androgens for penis growth. i am uneducated in all this. could jojoba juice be a good carrier ?
Wol,
Where did you see the info on “Hung” in the Avant website. I joined their forum last night and posted an inquiry as to whether or not there was such a product under development. No responses as yet from anyone on that board. Perhaps someone there will respond over the weekend.
Bigone,
Did you see the new product called Sytenhance? It is a site specific protein synthesis enhancer. Interesting read.
CYA @8,
What is the significance of a locally acting androgen product? Is that similar to what we are already using?
No, you are using a systematic delivery method. Some might say there is zero local effect achieved with 4aderm. I lean to there being some but nothing like Gel #3 will produce.
Some say local delivery is a myth and impossible but I dont think this way. I would say that a completely local delivery method is impossible but 50% or so may be achievable.
Anything that increases local effect would increase the effectiveness of what we are trying to do here. If systematic delivery is all we needed then AS would grow peckers as well.
http://www.avan tlabs.com/produ … hp?productID=20
This link implies that there is a "Hung" home brew out there somewhere.
I just spent 30 min looking for it with no luck.
Nearlythere,
I am glad you are here: )
Cheers,
PS
Yeah, I already ordered mine. Just not going to get accused of trolling so I didn’t post it.
Homebrew is just that. You mix what you think will work and throw it in. No one should run out and get 3alpha with this gel and put it on your pecker. This is another reason I didn’t post it.
But thanks PS….
3alpha is dangerous and there is no way of knowing if Dut. or Fin. will totally protect the prostate. I would hope Jones is right and 4ad will work with IPM. If so, then there is no reason to use 3alpha.
What I do is my choice. I do not advice anyone else to attempt this avenue. I am going under a Doctors care if I decide to use 3alpha. Safety is the first concern when dealing with any PH but especially a metabolite of DHT.
You can mix it with 4ad. This is true, if you want to play chemist. If you spill it on your balls……..Goodluck!
Please dont take this as me flaming….. Just this carrier presents a whole new set of risks and there is no proof this will work either. So I would think that IPM would be a better choice if you think you would like to add something.