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Originally Posted by Nudgetracker
This is going to be hard to do, but you have to reclaim your power, your mystique. All guys should stop asking for sex and pretend you don’t give a shit. She’ll start to wonder why you don’t care anymore. Guys who get girls clamoring after them are not asking for sex, yet it’s offered. Guys who ask, expect, sulk, whine, text and beg never get it. Become mysterious again. I’m not saying this is your issue, you sound very well self-aware, i’m writing this to the general public. Guys who are asking their wives for sex are going down the wrong path where they continue to lose respect and eventually she will fuck someone else. And yes, it’s a bad pattern when you first meet a girl and suddenly sparks are flying sex is happening constantly and then they stop. This is true of the stripper, the massage therapist, the girl at the shop etc etc. After they hook you in, they have measured you, now you’re stuck and become a fraction of the man you used to be. Next time you’re in the situation where she asks you if you want sex, say “nah, maybe next time, I have to do ‘xyz’ (insert your own alpha excuse). Act like you don’t care.
We are not meant to be beggars but fucking kings. Take it back and be a king.

I read No More Mr. Nice Guy and Married Man’s Sex Primer and they both point to this philosphy.

My wife had gotten to the point where we were near divorce and not having sex for months at a time. We were also sleeping in separate rooms. The more I tried the more she pulled away and became what I can best describe as the behavior of my 7 year old on her worst possible day.

One day this all clicked and I said fuck this, I’m miserable. I just stopped caring. I still did stuff she asked but I didn’t stick around for a thank you, I pretty much avoided her.

Things changed within about 2 months. She started touching me and teasing me which I ignored. Then she started coming to the bed, which I again ignored. Finally she started initiating sex.

Things have turned around dramatically since I’ve started caring about myself and focusing on my goals, my PE, business, and fitness journey.

We will see if this continues but at this point, I’m neutral. If she wants to leave go ahead I own a business, am getting in shape, and am getting a big dick.

If she stays, that would be good as well. It seems Shaun has this mentality figured out but a lot of us guys don’t so I wanted to echo your post.


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Originally Posted by Ph33rme
I read No More Mr. Nice Guy and Married Man’s Sex Primer and they both point to this philosphy.

My wife had gotten to the point where we were near divorce and not having sex for months at a time. We were also sleeping in separate rooms. The more I tried the more she pulled away and became what I can best describe as the behavior of my 7 year old on her worst possible day.

One day this all clicked and I said fuck this, I’m miserable. I just stopped caring. I still did stuff she asked but I didn’t stick around for a thank you, I pretty much avoided her.

Things changed within about 2 months. She started touching me and teasing me which I ignored. Then she started coming to the bed, which I again ignored. Finally she started initiating sex.

Things have turned around dramatically since I’ve started caring about myself and focusing on my goals, my PE, business, and fitness journey.

We will see if this continues but at this point, I’m neutral. If she wants to leave go ahead I own a business, am getting in shape, and am getting a big dick.

If she stays, that would be good as well. It seems Shaun has this mentality figured out but a lot of us guys don’t so I wanted to echo your post.


Cool I’m going to read those books
Other people reflect us. To change them we change us
It’s not them it’s me

Originally Posted by Nudgetracker
Cool I’m going to read those books
Other people reflect us. To change them we change us
It’s not them it’s me

As i get older i am realizing that a lot pf behaviors from my kids and wife were created by me.


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Originally Posted by marky777
I can’t tell from this, just how much info you gave her…

Anyway, about YOU:
I was in a similar situation in the past with my 20 year marriage. Thanks to help form a member on this site many years ago, we did make huge progress. However, the relationship later ended, when she met someone else. But *menos mal, (as they say in Span) - I got to go out with 2 other women! And the sex was electric, though different in both cases. I’m older now and I can see that some of the issues with my wife were self created, and some were due to sheer incompatibility, and other reasons nothing to do with me. We are good friends now and really look out for each other. We have 3 great grown up kids.

Oh sorry, I said this would be about YOU, ahem… :D

I think you could have a much more fulfilling relationship with your wife. However, if you make it all about fixing her - it will mostly get worse! If you really want to know my thoughts, I will tell you, but I don’t want to waste my time and yours. Most of my advice would involve changing the one person you have total control over - yourself.

From your story about how your massage of her led to great sex quite easily, it’s obvious your wife is quite responsive. Or put from another perspective, you have not quite blown it yet. The fact that there is not much touching in her family speaks volumes, so I’m not saying it’s all down to you. It would be interesting to know your ages.

*Menos mal means literally “less bad” but is normally used after mentioning a bad situation, to mean: But looking on the bright side… and then a description of the bright side follows :)

I’m all ears. Either PM or post here.

I think your right. It time to work on changing me.

Originally Posted by Ph33rme
I read No More Mr. Nice Guy and Married Man’s Sex Primer and they both point to this philosphy.

My wife had gotten to the point where we were near divorce and not having sex for months at a time. We were also sleeping in separate rooms. The more I tried the more she pulled away and became what I can best describe as the behavior of my 7 year old on her worst possible day.

One day this all clicked and I said fuck this, I’m miserable. I just stopped caring. I still did stuff she asked but I didn’t stick around for a thank you, I pretty much avoided her.

Things changed within about 2 months. She started touching me and teasing me which I ignored. Then she started coming to the bed, which I again ignored. Finally she started initiating sex.

Things have turned around dramatically since I’ve started caring about myself and focusing on my goals, my PE, business, and fitness journey.

We will see if this continues but at this point, I’m neutral. If she wants to leave go ahead I own a business, am getting in shape, and am getting a big dick.

If she stays, that would be good as well. It seems Shaun has this mentality figured out but a lot of us guys don’t so I wanted to echo your post.

I think I’ll join a gym. Get myself in shape. Cut down on the drink as it is just a coping mechanism.

Thanks for the replies and advice. The support here is and has been awesome. I also realise that I am semi out of control with frustration.

Thinking more about this I will work on me first.

Thanks again.

SB

Originally Posted by Shaunbaby
Thanks for the replies and advice. The support here is and has been awesome. I also realise that I am semi out of control with frustration.

Thinking more about this I will work on me first.

Thanks again.

SB

a shot in the dark but get your estrogen levels tested. I believe women respond to good testosterone/estrogen levels. Especially since you mention gym and drinking.

At risk of sounding like a cultist. Ever since starting crossfit and eating right I’ve had much more testosterone and aggression. I actually feel like i did back when i was in college sports.

I can’t recommend enough a good explosive workout program and a diet.

I’m married but for a single guy there are a lot of fit women who do crossfit…


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My progress pictures thread.

Originally Posted by Nudgetracker
a shot in the dark but get your estrogen levels tested. I believe women respond to good testosterone/estrogen levels. Especially since you mention gym and drinking.

My level or hers?

Found a local gym. It reasonably priced and has lot of yoga and Pilates that will support my interest in Tantra.

Thanks again guys.

Originally Posted by Shaunbaby

My level or hers?

Yours, high estrogen could make you feel more emotional and vulnerable. It also makes you brood on things.

The guy who wrote “men are from Mars and women from Venus” actually has some interesting things to say about this and strategies to fix without taking supplements.

Have you clearly defined what success would look like?


Big cock, tight abs, fit body, strong mind.

I keep reading this thread, SB, with a feeling of familiarity. It’s an untenable position. On the one hand, you’re not allowed (as in most monogamous relationships) to have sex and intimacy on the side. On the other hand, she won’t give it to you. It’s the plight of so many guys. The members who say to double-down on sex and intimacy with your wife have only the best intentions, and this is not a criticism because that can work in some shorter-term relationships. But you can get to a point in a long-term relationship when those actions have no effect (in fact, SB has tried already). So, you double down on her with sex and intimacy or…you do the opposite and withdraw from her…whatever you do, you find that it’s not working.

Her comment that implied “if you do the ironing, you will get sex” (or whatever the hell the chore was), hit me hard. It’s a counterfeit coin that so many modern women believe to be real. It’s one of those comments that allow the man no avenue. If you did the laundry, you might (just might) get some duty sex. Yet you’ve cast yourself in that begging role that one of the members mentioned.

I don’t envy you, and I’ve been exactly where you are. Keep us updated. A man needs to think for himself eventually, and it sounds like you’re doing this.


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So many beautiful stories Shaunbaby. I really hope you will keep finding positive things in life. You are on the right path :)

Originally Posted by Ph33rme
I read No More Mr. Nice Guy and Married Man’s Sex Primer and they both point to this philosphy.

Make sure you remove the ’ from Man’s when you search for the book.

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