8 x 6 Envy

Count me there.

Happy,

Are you not trusting all of the stats on the sizesurvey site or just the 2 to 1 ratio?

I think sizesurveyor has compiled some good data. In addition to what is posted on the results site he continues to do more research in person. There is his Validation Project , and the "Measurement Parties ". According to his own post on LPSG in late 2006 he had personally measured 824 subjects. Over 2 years later I’ll bet that the number of study subjects has grown significantly.

Also from LPSG we see the type of data he obtains from measuring:

These results seem far better than anything the nebulous lifestyles study has given, and would also be a great resource here. Perhaps someone could cajole the sizesurveyor into releasing his validation project measurements to either the general public or at least to Thunder’s general public.

I’m over 8x6, and while I don’t consider myself to have a small dick… let’s just say I need to mentally induce a state of confidence in myself. Maybe it’s cause I’m 6’2” 233lbs, and obsess over my body just as hard and have a very low bodyfat% and am very athletic and compete on the amateur level in a few sports I think it should be on that “next level” where I percieve guys my weight and bigger with sizes over 9x6… or maybe it’s because I’m so stocky that I don’t get the most generous of backdrops for the perception of size.

Like a few have said before it’s a mental cluster fuck, and it’s even more aggravating being aware of it knowing you should be happy and grateful, even knowing that I’ve hurt a few women and still feeling inadequete… granted there a few other variables, but my life now basically revolves around PE, which is not neccisarily a bad thing - but inner happiness isn’t something someone will achieve just because they’ve stretched their ligs far enough ya know?

The chart has a steady correlation slope. However at the very far right on the chart with the longest length the girth does take a sudden turn away from the correlation. Maybe that is what he was referring to. That very long dicks aren’t in proportion. But then again there’s only 15 subjects to go by in that column. And even with that turn from the correlation the girth is bigger than most of the other length columns. It’s just not in proportion as well as all the other columns are. It doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense that the correlation wouldn’t continue on so I’m inclined to think it’s just a result from there being too small a sampling in that column. As far as surgeons go my understanding has been that they tend to encourage girth enhancement to go along with lengthening, stating that lengthening without adding to girth can make a penis look thinnish. There are a few members at Thunders that have had penis enlargement surgery. They may can provide better insight if any of them happen to see this thread and care to post about this in particular.

That’s a more complicated issue, I think.

Porn producers want to make money.

Remember that most porn is aimed at MEN.

And that porn production is a business. Men buy pornos, join porn sites etc.

As we’ve discussed, most men would like to have a bigger dick.

Therefore porn producers put guys with big ones in because they know men want to have big ones.

Porn is fantasy for men, like Disney for kids — and the fantasy is “I am the guy with that really big dick screwing that beautiful women.”

If men wanted to have smaller penises than what they have, then porn producers would put smaller guys in.

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Go back in time, there was a porn producer named Candida Royale who did porn for women. While the penises were not small, they were not huge either.

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Of course women seen this male-oriented porn top — I don’t know how it conditions them. I bet Mr. Happy has some theories, especially about how it effects younger women.

First off FANTASTIC GAINS!

Nice post, I hope you get past this feeling, because with those stats your penis is undeniably big.

If you haven’t seen it take a look at tntjockey’s post here — worth thinking about a little in terms of sizes over 9x6:

tntjockey - A question for the female members:

That girl is an idiot. That’s basically saying that 80% of the male population is equivalent in attractiveness to a 250 lb woman.

I once read an interesting article written by a guy who ran a dating service. Here is an excerpt on how open-minded women ended up happier than the more inflexible types ():

Ditto.

Add me to that Ditto.

Fair enough.

And point taken. I’ll add that you do your research, no question.

Agreed, with the exception of “You don't always mention the entire picture.”

My central motivation when discussing this has everything to do with the big picture.

As important as penis size is, it’s not as important to women as it is to us. This is not to say it’s of no importance to them, but men do tend to ‘overplay’ the size issue - as you say.

This is especially true of men on an enlargement site. The domino theory goes like this: this tendency to overplay in the mind leads (often) to a bit of an obsessive focus on it, which in turn leads to pushing the envelope with the exercises, which inevitably leads to injury (which is bad), and possibly an injury that will affect performance (which we know is really bad).

This goes hand-in-hand with an inflated view of what ‘average’ size is, and therefore the focus becomes all the more urgent.

The truth is, in my experience anyway, that women have very different priorities. They are much more about the quality of their experience overall, for one thing. Which has to do with how they are treated, how much fun they have, and how the feel about it all. I’m not saying they attach no importance to physical attributes - they do; but they intuitively focus on things that make them feel like they are special, that raise their status and self-image, first.

The Book of Lists I read in the 70s (that I mentioned earlier) had a “top ten things women find attractive” list. Being tall (or taller than them anyway), having broad shoulders, a good sense of humor (read: can make them laugh), all of these things beat out the penis, which I remember being eighth on the list. {As a side note, the men's list of what they thought women found attractive had the penis at number two, if I recall.}

However, I do acknowledge: it made the top ten list. So obviously it’s not unimportant.

My goal is to get people to reconsider how important, to not be so afraid of being inadequate with what they have right now.

I’m here to tell people: a lot can be done with a working unit of just about any size if you make the woman feel like a queen and make her laugh.

For me the priorities are:
1) Get in shape and be healthy, (two things that directly affect self-confidence), and while you’re at it practice good hygiene.

2) Learn as much as you can about being a good lover and a fun date

3) Develop your overall penile health and staying power - being able to last so she can come as much as she wants beats a big dick everyday of the week.

And while you’re at it The Newbie Routine probably won’t kill you.

:leftie:

Truer words have never been spoken.

Your three priorities are excellent.

Yes, be at least reasonably content with what you have got and get that unit in some perspective with the whole body - exercise the whole thing!

Keirs

Porn:

A movie’s goal is to be interesting. If it’s not interesting, it’s common/boring. If they’d put guys with the average 5.5X5 in porn, we would see the average Joe (dickwise) fucking Julie. Nothing very incredible. Besides, many guys would say: Hey check it out, that guy’s is smaller than mine. Porn is made in a matter that makes you say “wow”…like “wow look at the size of that thing”…”wow look at those tits!”

Besides, many guys who fuck still watch porn. They wouldn’t find it interesting if it wasn’t something different in there… like the guy who’s dick looks/is huge or the girl with the “I haven’t never seen so big” tits.

If all women had an envy for those girls in porn with huge mellons…it’d be a sad world. I like them sporty :)

***Mr. Happy***:

I enjoyed reading your post and appreciate your advice. I am very glad there are people like you on the forum. Though I have a little objection. I don’t agree that the top 1 quality of a man is height. Neil Strauss (the pick-up artist/writer) , Tom Cruise, Johnny Depp are just a few examples. Neil has been with Lisa (Courtney Love’s guitarist) for more than an year… she’s a bit taller then him. You’ve seen Tom Cruise in DW’s forum as another example.

Social proof and being interesting are way above heigth in my opinion. Let’s just say you step into a group of let’s say 6 guys and 2 girls and you know each and every guy. If the girls see your are treated with respect by the group, they generally smile. You don’t have to be athletic or tall to get their attention. Nor should one be social just to get female attention. Women are naturally very social, they choose the man. If a man is social, they like it. They are still attracted to strong guys, but there’s no need for a Ronnie Coleman to hunt the mighty buffallo…
Don’t get me wrong, I practice swimming and I work out at the gym. I consider it a must. I just believe that confidence, inteligence and social proof are far more important than looks and height.

On topic: Women don’t NEED an 8x6. Hardness though is extremely important. Also “penis size” doesn’t necessarily mean “I need an 8x6 penis”. It can also mean “I don’t want a 2 inch dick.” Perspective is reality.

This place should be a place of self improovement, kind of like a brotherhood where we help eachother reach our goals, it’s not a raceground.
Smaller guys becoming average… I highly respect this! All my support and admiration for you guys!
8x6 envy coming from a guy who’s at least average is a psychological issue.

Other stuff I’ve read here: 1. Guys asking their girlfriend if they are big enough for her…,…2. Guys asking their girlfriend if her ex was bigger…and… 3. Guy asking on the forum why did his girl leave him after doing 1 or 2.

Sex involves fantasy, desire, trust, dominance, being strong sexually and personally … so many thing to say about it.
Don’t let society interfere with your education.

The people who deserve more are those who appreciate what they already have.

Cheeva, Para G. , mad respect for your posts.

Best wishes and a Happy New Year! iDare.

The people you mention can get anything because of one thing: power. It ALL comes down to power, which can manifest in looks, social strata, financial success, dick size, anything. Women are always attracted to power, so it’s useless to comment on which is more important. It’s holistic, an evaluation of the man’s whole persona.

Good post though!

A fair point, bubba.

Although, it sort of misses the mark with regard to personal qualities someone might have, which have nothing to do with power.

For example, I think Johnny Depp would do okay with the ladies not withstanding his fame, riches, height and reported smallness of size. He’s also a pretty cool guy and fun to hang around with. That matters too. A lot.

Tom Cruise has a new boyfriend now, but even if he didn’t, to date him you have to be willing to be brainwashed by Scientologists.

iDare,

Just so you don’t misunderstand me, my Romanian friend, I wasn’t saying that height is number one. I was talking about the Book of Lists that I had in the 70s (just as an example), which put height above the penis in a survey women took about what they found attractive.

I do think there is something to it as a general rule, but all general rules are fine in general, but often don’t bear out in specific.

There was a special on the BBC about dating and attraction I saw a couple of times that interviewed men and women about their likes and dislikes, and then put them through a number of social tests - to test if what they said correlated with what they actually did. The thrust of this show had to do with trying to draw some conclusions about what attracts us versus what we want in a partner.

Interestingly, with regard to physical aspects, when women were asked they would concede that they liked this physique or that (arms, legs, chest), preferred height to shortness, and so on. When it came down to it, though, height was the last characteristic standing in terms of what most of them picked out. Of the purely physical aspects women judge men on, height was the one they most consistently chose in reality. Conclusion, being fit is great, but mostly you just have to be tall - and by tall, taller than them.

It seems women typically want someone they can look up to. Literally.

FYI: Men were much more consistent in terms of responding to what they said they preferred physically. Apparently it’s true that we let the little head influence our decision making as a rule. :)

That said:

Women and men, both, often forge important and lasting relationships with people who do not meet their ideal of attractiveness. Personality, and the way we are treated by a partner, are huge in terms of a successful relationship. Number one, in fact.

So there’s actually something to this “he makes me laugh” stuff. How we make the other person feel about themselves when we’re around is of the utmost importance. All this other stuff informs that to some degree, but that’s the bottom line.

When you site a pick-up artist as an example, it makes me think that the focus here might be more on just simply getting laid. In that case, I would suggest the physical attributes might be a shade more important on the whole, but still, when dealing with women, as a rule they want to feel good about themselves and have fun.

If you can add to that, you’ll do alright.

I agree, Happy, that power is a facile element of attraction…and likely more correlated to mating than love. I do think initial attraction begins with power and then other, more complex elements come into play—-humor, ambition, similar interests, etc—and that is where the heart really takes hold.