Considering getting the frenulum removed and possibly becoming cut

Cool stuff Wibble. I agree, When dealing with people its hard to separate feelings from facts. However, generally when you get numbers in the tens of thousands is really hard to argue. If there was a study involving 40000 men who tried PE and got no results, I doubt you would utilize that method. Whatever the case, the good news is we both have great feeling during sex, if your feeling is better than mine so be it. To me the foreskin has no significance, so I think why keep something you don’t need. It’s really not drastic at all.

Let’s continue with the no teeth analogy. Imagine if smoothies and porridge tasted like steak to people. Why spend the money on steak and dentistry if you absolutely love smoothies?

WILLFULL IGNORANCE! What a flawed logic and argumentation.

Just stay with the realities of the developed world and stop cherrypicking parts of studies out of context.

The developed intellligent majority of people would never ever cut their childrens bodys without a medical reason. And almost none of us even consider doing a circumcision on our babys.

Its a really misguided and disgusting practice. A crime on humanity.

Guess you didn’t block me.

For the rest let’s agree to disagree ;p

Sigh. But then why remove perfectly healthy teeth in the first place when it’s actually pretty easy for any remotely mentally normal adult to take care of them? Nearly as easy, in fact, as keeping a foreskin clean and in good working order.

I’ll say it again, and then I’m going to leave it because we’re clearly never going to agree. You’ve got the argument the wrong way round: rather than saying “It’s kind of plausible that men who were cut as infants still have sex that’s as enjoyable as it is for intact men”, it should be “Cutting off an important part of little boys’ penises without their consent, although it seems extremely drastic, has significant and measurable health benefits which are [X], [Y] and [Z]”.

Prove to me that X, Y and Z exist, and I might review my position. But as I’ve said, I live in a country where almost no non-Jewish/Muslim men are circumcised, and as far as I know there isn’t a non-stop epidemic of foreskin-related injuries and infections going on here.

Right! Billions of people with even more billions of ancestors who never had a circumcision have no problems on the large scale.
So why not keep that natural part on the body of a healthy kid?

Medical professions in our countries are in no way recommending circumcision on a large scale and many condemn it as ethicly wrong.

There is simply no sufficent reason for a healthy kid to get his foreskin cut away in our society.
And thus almost non but the religious and traditionals do it around here in europe.
Same goes for russia, china, australia, south korea, new zealand. All without any problems having healthy penis since ages.
If you would tell around here the reasons why you want to cut your childs foreskin away they will think you are crazy.

I mean its not like the US isnt awaking to it. Lots of people there waking up. Lets hope they stop it down the road.
Not so sure about the religious nuts though.
If you think about it a religion that demands its kids to be cut off a healthy part of its sexual organ can only be wrong. Arent the muslims or jews even have a ritual were the foreskin is cut with the teeth?

No. :D

You are without strong argumentation in light of some obvious truths and facts about circumcision.

There is no serious danger in keeping your foreskin. Its perfectly natural to have a foreskin.
There is no need to cut a kids healthy foreskin.
Whole countries,societies and their medical professions live since many generations with a foreskin having no reason to cut it and find it absurd, barbaric and criminal to do it pre-emptiv on a toddler/child.

Your reasoning for circumcision might make sense to you but is very weak in the light of the arguments put against it.

Wibble,

I agree that we will never see eye to eye on this. I think again that it has something to do with this obsession uncut men have over their foreskin. I believe our main difference in opinion lies in the importance of the foreskin. If it has little effect on sexual pleasure and requires diligence in order to prevent disease, then there is little incentive for me to keep it. Some of this is obviously cultural, as in my culture (which is western and Christian) foreskin is less desirable. But some of this is logical, and I am completely content with the science and medicine that backs up my choice, and since I’m not advocating universal circumcision, I actually don’t have to prove anything to you.

The beauty of this is that neither you nor I have to prove anything to each other. I can circumcise my children and you don’t have to, so in that way we are free to live as we choose. That’s all I have argued for from the beginning, and even though some nut jobs may scream from the roof tops, they are not going to change anything. I do regret engaging the subpopulation who resort to gross exaggerations to defend their views, and that fault is completely mine. I respect your ability to calmly and rationally defend your view, and I wish you the best of luck going forward.

I like the post, mizguy12.

The choice to remove the foreskin is up to your ability to weigh the consequences.

Thanks Greyster.

subpopulation lol. Christian and western? Has 0 connection cultural to circumciscion. Maybe since 50 years in the brainwashed US.
If you openly push mutilation interests in a christian church in europe the people would be disgusted.

You can write as nice as you want your choice of words and argumentation is disgusting. Fro mthe start pushing pervert websites and brushing of knowledge and many obvious indicators that a foreskin is worth much more for an adult.

Then It was about adults mutilating their children who cant decide(sure you can remove your arm or whatever as an adult and I dont care) and you just brushed it away with your faulty viewpoints and lies pushing the agenda of child mutilation.

Now you are further pushing the case with a fake account and an unneccessary post. Disgusting. I hope you dont get get kids that will be mutilated.
Truly horrific persons pushing such an evil agenda.

Yeah, since when are most Christian sects pro-circumcision? I think some Christian communities in Africa might practice it - whether that’s a hangover from Old Testament times or an influence from neighbouring Muslim groups, I don’t know - but as far as I’m aware it’s only the USA and Canada* in the “Western” world where circumcision is common in families that aren’t Muslim or Jewish.

In Europe, if a guy is circumcised it’s for one of three reasons: he’s from a Jewish family, he’s from a Muslim family, or he had some specific condition such as phimosis that can be treated by removing the foreskin. North America is not the whole of the “Western” world, remember.

*and maybe not even Canada? I don’t know.

Whole Europe, Russia, New Zealand, Australia, all of South America and large parts of Asia see no reason to circumcise infants with no present medical condition.
Most people in these countries see it as a violent crime on the infant.
If you would speak about this and recommend it in the way Mizguy does in family or church you would be called a barbaric nut and people would make certain you dont come in contact with their children.

The medical professions in these countries and their associations are in line with the public opinion. No doctor in a public hospital in these countries will recommend to you a circumcision to your healthy child.
And if he would do it he would be called out on that.(“why do you want to mutilate my child based on this fear mongering”?)

There is simply no profound medical reason to premptivly rob a child of an integral and healthy part of his body.
It is clear that intercourse with a foreskin is much more natural and intense. Its what it is there for.(I guess lubricant sales in the US are much higher)

As said in germany and in some nordic countries it was about to be ruled a crime. Only politic influences, on part of religious sects, stopped the courts.

Mizguy, is not just stating his opinions. He is activly pushing circumcision agenda and twisting references(like the WHO one) and denies any facts brought to his intention. And I will answer as long as he keeps on doing that.
I would be horrified for any adult coming to this page and cutting of a part of his childs penis on the fear mongering and denieng and twisting of facts by mizguy(cause he does it in a really nice way with nice words)

Of course any adult can cut away anything he likes from his own body.
(And as already said and experienced by many, OP will have less sexual feelings in his dick after he got circumcised, OBVIOUSLY)

Personally I love being uncut and being cut sucks. Less sexual pleasure and the wife can orgasm easily because of the skin friction being uncut.

Please reread my post. I said that my personal culture is western and Christian, and in my culture circumcision is widely accepted. I never made broad claims about Christianity. Thanks for the heads up that there are other countries in the western world though.

Dickerschwanz, you have crossed into some new dimension, which is saying something since you already made bigoted references about my username.

From the posts I have seen, you are strongly biased, opinionated and educated just enough to think you know everything (have another dose of copper ;) ). There is no amount of peer-reviewed articles that I could post that would make you consider anything other than what you already know. I have unequivocally said it should be a choice on several occasions, but it doesn’t seem like you enjoy free choices.

You are the fear-mongerer, you are the person who cherry picks studies (and refuse to acknowledge that I addressed your studies) and you are actively pushing an agenda.

Finally, my wife just gave birth to our second son, and we had him circumcised. What’s more, not one of the doctors or nurses in one of the most well respected hospitals in the world batted an eyelash. In fact, I personally know several European (including a German and Austrian) physicians who are working here for free just for the training. Must be because our medical thinking here in the US is barbaric.