Originally Posted by zaneblue
Hello Lloyd—glad you finally got in! Welcome.
My reading regarding my “retractile” or “turtling” penis problem here on Thunder’s indicates that coffee is a factor, and a negative generally for PE. Dang! Every time, I turn around someone says I should drop my favorite beverage to which I’m addicted! You were the first to start talking about dropping coffee… Case of my wife, though—we are addicted “together”.
I doubt if coffee is the ONLY factor with me as I ALWAYS had the turtling problem as far back as I can remember way before I began drinking significant coffee back when I was about 23 or so. However, my intuition is that it does help initiate the appearance of the phenomenon as does anything that increases my muscle tension, from heavy work to nervousness/anxiety. Actually, I am normally “turtled” and completely empty of blood… Coffee, anxiety, heavy work can be said to initiate only the extreme distressing turtling when the penis almost disappears and uncomfortable sensations arise.
The post here that speculates smooth muscles deep in the penis (not voluntary) are responsible for turtling DOES seem to make sense. However, I don’t see these muscles in the anatomy drawings. I wonder how speculative this theory is… ?
Whenever, over the years, I have borrowed someones amphetamines to stay-up all night working on a project, the turtling was REALLY EXTREME so I am certain we are on to something… Now, here is the kicker: my mother was diagnosed as a “narcoleptic” back during WWII and was prescribed amphetamines. (Actually she may have been addicted to the amphetamines the military handed-out like candy for men on watch.) She took heavy doses of amphetamines while she was pregnant with me and later while I was nursing (and for the rest of her life).
I have never considered the theory of involuntary smooth muscle tension when considering the amphetamines in the past. Instead, I considered that according to some, amphetamines are a pseudo-estrogen! I figured chronic lack of blood in the penis due to low T high E might cause turtling as well as well as discourage growth. I know that my penis is OFTEN completely empty of blood, like and empty balloon. Maybe all this “works together”. Yikes! I wonder what effect Ritalin has on all the young boys using it.