Gains rate expectations

As I cross a personal PE milestone, this topic is something that I want to pass on to newbies. A different paradigm on goals, rather than how much you can gain, it’s more about how fast you can gain.

I think on some level, anybody embarking on a PE journey wants to transform their size as quickly as possible. Some few want to continue onward to whatever maximum size possible, making a lifetime practice of it. But most I think want to reach a specific size as quickly as possible. If we could go from small to big in a month, or even a year, we would all do it. In reality, gains rates for most guys are much slower than that.

So we try to optimize the gains rate. There are a thousand and one ways to pull on a dick. Everybody responds individually to routine choice, force levels, durations, frequencies, overall workloads, rest periods, nutrition … the factors go on and on. In addition to all that, there’s unknown factors. Some guys simply gain faster than others, even if everything else is the same.

It can be consuming, trying all the different ideas to max out the gains rate. In my case, I tried out a lot of different things, and my gains rate has stayed the same through it all, at slightly over 1 cubic inch per year.

That temptation remains though, to find that one magical combination of all the factors that would make this process go faster.

Anyway, I thought it would be a good thread to give the newbies an idea of what to expect in terms of gains rates. For reference, the average penis size is something like 10-12 cubic inches volume. And the average gains for an entire PE career in the Thunder’s database is about 3.5 cubic inches.

So many newbies ask, how much can I expect to gain? Or is this or that goal realistic? And we tell them, more or less, that you could gain about 5 cubic inches volume if you’re very dedicated. I think that’s the wrong question. I think somebody can gain as much as they want to with PE, given enough time, effort, and dedication. At least within reason. Once into the top 1% of penis size, it seems most guys just stop. And that is the upper limit of gains: the will to do so, and the time and effort to execute that will.

The right question to ask is, how quickly can I expect to gain? Because gaining 10 cubic inches is absolutely possible, even a 20 cubic inch gain is possible. The question is whether you can do it in 2 years, or 10 years, or 30 years?

So here is what I perceive to be realistic post-newbie gains rates and their prevalence among PE’ers

< 0.5 ci per year About 5% of guys
This is the worst case scenario. I think this is common among lazy PE’ers as a post-newbie gains rate scenario. If these are your rookie year gains, PE might not work very well for you. You may be a very hard gainer. I think that is the unfortunate reality for about 5% of guys. But for most guys, PE works better than this.

0.5 - 1.0 ci per year About 50% of guys
This is the majority of post-newbie PE’ers gains rate. It would also be a disappointing result for a rookie year gains rate. However, it would be a clear indicator that PE works for you, and that you could probably maintain this rate for post-newbie gains, with a little optimization.

1.0 - 2.0 ci per year About 30% of guys
This is probably a close second for prevalance of post-newbie gains rates. Still quite common, these are guys that have typically found something that works for them. I think it’s possibly for a lot of guys who are in the 0.5 - 1.0 camp to get up into the 1.0 - 2.0 camp with enough experimentation and optimization, although typically toward the lower end of it. As rookie year gains, this category would be average.

2.0 - 3.0 ci per year Less than 10% of guys
Now this is a downright fast gains rate for a post-newbie. If you get on something that is yielding these results, stay on it. It is rare to even get into the high 1.x per year rate, so cresting the 2.0 ci per year is golden. I think it’s possible for normal guys to get into this rate with absolutely perfect optimization and dedication. The kind where it’s like PE is your job, thus prohibiting most from ever getting here. We’re also getting into the territory of fast newbie gains. If you get 2-3 ci in your rookie year, the chances are you are a decent gainer, and will be able to get >1 ci/y post newbie gains.

3.0 - 4.0 ci per year Less than 5% of guys
Extremely fast post-newbie gains rate. Very rare. These are the lucky guys. The big gainers who did it in a few years. If you ever enjoy a gains rate like this, you will be able to see the changes month by month. I think it’s nearly impossible for the average guy to ever get into this gains rate category. Luck is involved. We don’t know yet exactly why or how the lucky ones gain so much faster than others. If you go from normal post-newbie gains rate into this category, you’ve hit the mother lode. The perfect combination of all the factors, please tell us all about it. Even as a rookie year newbie gain, this is an excellent result, and would indicate you’re likely to enjoy fast gains your entire PE career. After all, the average gain for an entire PE career is 3.5 cubic inches, and that would be doing it in a single year.

> 4.0 ci per year Less than 1% of guys
Transformational gains rate, at any stage. You should be able to see gains happening week by week. There are very few accounts of this as a post-newbie rate that I believe, and I love to give people the benefit of the doubt. I think many guys actually get to experience this gains rate for about 1-2 months when they first start out, and then it slows down. So this category is the lucky guys, the more is more guys who just keep growing the more they pull and squeeze. The guys that enjoy the newbie gains rate for an entire year, or multiple years. These guys will mostly achieve their goals in a year, or two, or three. As a rookie year rate, this is quite rare, but there are many accounts of it that I believe. It’s also likely these guys will enjoy a > 2.0 ci gains rate for post-newbie years.

So there you have it. I really believe that for the vast majority of guys, we are not limited by the amount we can gain, but only by the rate at which we can gain.

After you’ve been at this long enough, the name of the game becomes gains per work. PE becomes a raw trade off between time, effort, and penis size. You experiment with all the various factors listed above, and you find out the limits of your own gains rate. Then the question becomes, how little PE can I do to net a certain gains rate?

With a little experience tracking your gains rate, and some basic math, you can have a general idea of how long your goal might take.

This is of course all my personal conjecture. I didn’t check the database, and I don’t actually know enough database analysis to even separate out gains rates by year for every member. Just my take based on hanging around here and checking a lot of profiles and stats over the years as I searched for my own optimizations.

Happy gaining guys.

I found continuing to experiment and taking time off when I got annoyed or busy was key. After Newbie Gains…things dropped off for me for years at a time. Understanding ci per year may have benefit but understanding how to be patient and safe (sane) helps more. Frustration will kill any gains rate.

But understanding ci per year can help you keep the faith. A very numerical approach, for the scientists in the room.

Another great thread BD

Thanks BD, that certainly gives us something to think about. For those of us doing PE “for life”, any gain in a year means we are bigger than ever, and that seems enough to keep us going. I have gained that 10 cubic inches over the past couple of decades (6.8x4.5 to 8x5.75) but the rate has been all over the map. I gained something like 5 CI (!) my first year back after a long hiatus, but a lot of that was just regaining what had been lost. Now it has stabilized to about 1

CI or less per year. But hey, I’m not going to complain about that.

Oh boy did I gain when I started PE. I bought an extender and started jelqing and wearing that extender, halfway thinking it was just a load of garbage. I thought, “you know, in theory it should be possible”. Gaine a quarter inch my first week, another quarter inch my second, and then I thought holy cow, at this rate I’ll be eight inches in another six weeks. Of course gains slowed down, but I still picked up an inch and a quarter in BPEL in my first eight weeks. Now, I forget what the company selling the extender said you could gain, but it was something ridiculous like two inches in four weeks or something. And while this wasn’t but about half of what they were saying, it was crazy. A half inch in just two weeks. After the second week’s measurement, I kept going back to check with the ruler. I just thought that I must have measured wrong. Oh, if only I could gain like that again.

An average gain of 1 cubic inches per year after the initial newbie gains is still quite slow when you think about it. That’s around a gain of 0.2 length by 0.1 girth a year.

It may not be much but it does add up over the years. Enough for me to keep going.

True, it is why I am still continuing myself. I have gained around 3 and a quarter cubic inches in about 25 months, my second year gains have also been just slightly over 1 cubic inches, which seems to be normal for the average guy to grow after the initial newbie gains.

I’m sure that I am in the top 1%. My gains have been shockingly fast. I owe my success to the lanyard, which allowed more stretch with relative comfort. I’ve also been using dynamic stretching in addition to static stretching using the extender and pump. When I can post, I plan to post in detail. I’m not selling anything and personally use cheap chinese junk.

I hope the lanyard method can push more guys into the win column. It worked for me, but I’m just me and I might just be in the 1% or I might be onto something. Anyone who failed with an extender, because they fell out, this is for you.

I’m sure I’m not the only person interested in pictures and specs on your lanyard device. It sounds intriguing. I’m hoping you’ll start a thread and show us soon.