This Works (Dynamic Stretching)

Hoping for your sake…that’s an error.

Are you asking me to just describe it further? Let me try and see if I can cover everything.

I have noticed that by increasing pressure too soon I can cause edema to form right below my coronal ridge. That is to say since I am doing reps, I cannot go from 10hgs in pressure to 15hgs in pressure in back to back reps without causing edema. However I continued to test going to higher levels of pressure, simply taking more reps at 10hgs and then moving to 11hgs for multiple reps then increasing to 12hgs for multiple reps I could eventually hit 15hgs without causing any edema. I know that PE and bodybuilding are not magically parallel but I want to describe in this way which hopefully makes sense..

If I were working my way to a target max weight, the sets beforehand would be preparing me for that final set. Where as if I just skipped the earlier sets and went straight to my max weight I would risk injury. Another metaphor I just thought of. If you were training to do the marathon you wouldn’t run 1 mile the first day then run 26 the next. Instead you would run maybe 1 mile, then 3 miles, then 3 miles again, then 4 miles, you would take your time building up the number of miles. Same thing with cycle pumping.

If you try cycle pumping you will notice that the first pump to 5hgs feels tight ( I still do, even after these few weeks. ) However when you release the pressure and pump back up to 5hgs it doesn’t quite feel as tight, that is when you would pump to say 7hgs and that tight feeling occurs again. I have noticed that throughout these routines that if I stick with aiming for that tight feeling that it goes in stages of pressure, the first one appears to be at 5 ( sometimes earlier ), then at 7, then 8, 9, 10, 11, and so on. However it takes more than one rep at 10hgs for that tight feeling to be slightly less. So I have learned to continue pumping to 10hgs until the tight feeling from the vacuum is not as strong as that first time reaching 10hgs, then I move on to 11 and continue the same method until I feel it is safe to go to 12. I can only speak from my experience here but I would not be surprised if others who try this can find that they can pump to 7 or 8hgs multiple times before the tight feeling has less an effect.

If edema is just fluid buildup underneath skin so it makes an area puffy ( or spongy ) than this is exactly what happens to my unit. The location is directly below the coronal ridge on the right and left side of my penis. Nothing occurs on the head only the shaft. The areas are quite small but when my penis goes flaccid you can certainly notice them there. It looks as if my penis got tired of being cut and the foreskin is trying to come back, it happens along the skin that circles the head of my penis ( I believe it is the scarring from being cut ). The edema has persisted for more than an hour sometimes. However by the time I wake up in the morning the next day it isn’t there. It is usually more likely to occur ( for me ) on the first day of pumping coming back from the weekend, I think I get over zealous during the routine and increase the pressure to quickly without enough reps to prime the penis for it. I can say that just because the edema occurred on the first day does not mean it happens during the following day’s routine. I feel that it could be entirely avoided if more reps occur at lower pressures before moving into a higher level.

Let me know if I need to explain anything further here.

Yup! Good catch I believe that should read “Diameter”

Thanks, I’m sorry if my question was not clear: I was just asking if you get more fluid build up with dynamic or regular pumping.

I’ve said this before but I would do all you can to avoid edema at all costs !
Edema = inflammation which is not good for connective tissue, all you’ll get long term is loose skin.

In the first year I was pumping I worked my way up to doing 45min sessions at about 6”hg.
In that time I could completely fill a 10” by 2.25” tube and on a couple of occasions even a 9” by 2.5”.
It looks impressive but it’s just fluid build up and In my experience is useless for real gains.

For the last year I’ve never gone above 3”hg and I’ll stop a session if I start to see any fluid build up.
What I’ve noticed is that my size in the tube has slowly increased over the year but this time round its solid hard expansion and it seems to finally be producing some real gains.

The tight feeling you talk about is familiar, I get the same for about the first 15mins but I don’t increase the pressure but still see expansion after that point.

I think you can only stretch so far in any one session without causing damage.

Assuming we have an equation like : gains = (stretch ( or espansion) x time)/edema; I’d like to know how much edema is produced helding your penis at a length of 101% EL X 20 minutes with dynamic pumping compared to regular (or static) pumping. Not that I hope to get an answer to this question.

Maybe I’m going a bit off topic but I want to say something about that. I don’t know if edema per se means inflammation (not arguing in a way nor the other); but I feel that edema is bad per long term gains for pure mechanical reasons. I think a lot of edema tends to accumulate not only in the skin, but in the space bewteen Buck’s fascia and tunica albuginea. This means that can happen that you think that you are having real expansion of tunica, because you don’t see fluid build up in the skin; but the fluid could be in the mentioned sub-skin space; edema accumulated there is actually fighting your tunica expansion.

Hope it is clear what I mean.

Very clear and I agree with you, that’s exactly why I think overpumping can cause loose skin and why I think it’s counterproductive to gaining.

I take your point that edema doesn’t have to mean inflammation it could accumulate simply due to the pressure difference and the base of the tube pressing on the lymph vessels and cutting them off.

Let me ask though what effect you think saturating the tunica in lymphatic fluid will have in terms of upsetting collagen synthesis ?

Do you mean direct contact between a stressed tunica and edema? From a mechanical point of view, the more time edema needs to dissipate the more it is fighting tunica espansion, so that could have some consequences on the healing process; if you are asking about bio-chemical reactions, well I really don’t know. Maybe Figo could have a guess, I suppose physiotherapists deal with fatigued and injured tissues.

Was thinking more of the biological process.
Couple of things I read suggest it not only inhibits new collagen production but also causes existing fibers to stick to each other.
If I can find the studies I’ll link them but it was a while ago.

Certainly more fluid build up with dynamic pumping.

I pumped in the regular fashion before this thread came out and I became interested in the idea. For the entire time I performed static pumping I remember very rarely causing edema.

Always nice. If you get the links post them in my Loading etc. thread, would you?

Thanks this is interesting.

Hi, haven’t dropped by in awhile. Seems that you are taking on this subject with the usual scientific gusto I have seen again and again. Nice work!

Anyway I just wanted to add a theory about something I have noticed (or at least I think I have). It always seemed to me that gain was somehow governed by the size of the tube. Has this been addressed before?

What I mean is this: I have noticed that actual length gains were about 1/8-1/4 inch less than the stretched length. Also - I am not sure of actual measurement here - it seemed to apply to girth. So in the same way that say the size of a turtle for example is governed by the size of it’s habitat - it will only grow so large based upon the tank size - I wondered and it seemed the penis in regard to pumping is similar. Are gains in pumping governed by penis size % in the tube?

I know that the theory with static pumping is to pack the tube and this will result in stretching it. But, it seemed to me regarding this type of pumping that the tube needed to be slightly larger in both length and width. Never hitting the end or the sides.

On my second try that I mentioned as an old guy I started with a 7 1/2” tube. As I started to get close to the end it seemed that my gains slowed a bit. I then bought an 8” tube and things picked up again. After I got to a size where my spouse was making comments about it getting a bit too big I stopped so I don’t really know if what I am getting at is true but it has SEEMED this way to me from observation.

So, I am wondering if this has been discussed before. Does it have to do with the dynamics of a tube and loss of properties as one gets close to touching the parameters, is it related to the penis size in relation to tube - like a turtle, or something completely different? I don’t know but I am interested in anyone’s ideas.

I hope I have explained myself…

I think that is an interesting question that would deserve a dedicated thread, HomerJS. Just a personal opinion of course.