Building The Ultimate Length Routine: A Brainstorming Approach

Often I get this question in pms: ‘Hey Marinera, what’s your thoughts about the best length routine for intermediate PEers?’.
It is interesting to note that neither heterosexuals or gays should be that worried about length, since, girth should be more relevant for both.

Anyway, once forever, I want to give to this question an answer. Sadly, it is not the answer that any of the guys who asks would like, because, if have to rely of anecdotal evidence (and we don’t have anything better), simply there isn’t such a thing as the ‘Best length routine.’. What we do know, reading thousand of posts, is that some fellows seems to gain length more easily with manual stretching, others only with hanging, some with both, and so on. I have read posts by reliable members who swear the sole thing who gave them permanent length gains is clamping or pumping.

Well, what that tells us? That, in the end, nothing can beat the trial-and-error approach. Ok, but, since we don’t have infinite time to try any combinations of exercises/techniques, couldn’t we find a way to, at least, restrict the range? I mean, for first we could try the things that are more likely to give the best outcome, then something else. To do so, instead than a guru-ish perspective, a critical approach is more fruitful. Let’s point out things we can agree about, then we can build the most rational approach to this problem.

Now, the first obstacle to this ‘constructive’ approach, is human nature. People have personal preferences, and their views aren’t unbiased. For example, you can bet that a lot of PEers would swear that the real thing, as far as length gains are concerned, is hanging. Unfortunately, most of these guys are basing theirs opinion on nothing else than a taste. They got fascinated with the simplicity of hanging : just tie a foreign body to your penis, and this is measurable work that will have to give a measurable outcome.

In the same way, other fellows could have a personal preference for manual stretching, because you don’t have to become a hermit to get length gains: manual exercises set you free, so to speak. Similar observations could be made for extenders, or pumping or whatever.

Now, I am going to ask you a big effort: try to go over your personal preferences, and join me in this patient job: let’s look at the things we can agree on, there after we can try to build the most rational routine for intermediate PEers who are focused on length.

This will not be a quick fix or a easy task. Actually this post is already too long. Enough for now pointing down our mission, we will go deeper on this issue later. Have patience, and give your contribution to this if you can.

Since there are no precise exercise to create length growth, we could create a sort of 1-year long protocol. There would be 4 different routines, each 3 months long (should be long enough for most) . Members could stick to a routine when they stumble on one which works.
I’m pretty sure a lot of members (me included) lose too much time by not having a simple, rational and patient approach. In the end they end up losing both faith and time.
The routines’ order could be decided upon a few factors:
Cost, time invested, previous positive feedback, intensity (avoid toughening too much so the next routine can’t work).

An other possibility is to design a routine with a few length exercises such as memento’s rapid gains mechanism. I’ve seen memento mention a few times he believes in girth work to help length work, I’m sure we’ll all agree jelqing should be part of the routine.

An other way to look at the first idea is to design a routine and its future tweaks if, within a reasonable time frame, there are no gains.

Sounds like a good experiment. Members involved though shouldn’t stick to a routine when it works since that would harm the experiment.

So, let’s write down these 4 routines. The simplest way would be: 1) manuals; 2) hanging; 3) extender? 4) pumping?
Do we all agree that jelqs should be part of all the routines?

I agree jelqs should be part of each routine. Would you also agree constant heat from a safe source should be included as well?

You know I’d agree with heat and jelqs. Unfortunately not all techniques lend themselves to continuous heat, but regular re-heating would be ok.

From my short experience in PE —-> stretching and jelqing very good for length. Curious, as soon as I stopped jelqing or diminished it…les length gains.

Warm up of course included.

Ok if you mean it as an experiment why not.
I thought you wanted to create something members look forward to when they’re past beginner stage . An efficient way to find what works best for them, without overtraining, PEing like headless chicken, mixing ten exercises and getting discouraged.
An experiment would be interesting too but I’m not sure if members start growing they’ll be inclined to switch routines.
Maybe they could stick to each routine until it stops working in a satisfying way?

Also do you think hanging before extending could be detrimental to the latter?

An other question is what is a reasonable time frame to try hanging, 6 months is one for sure, I don’t know about 3 (especially with a bib). For example there is the use of different angles, Monty’s ideas, Bib’s ..

I agree the more heat the better.

I would say you can’t ignore the large percent of people who reported gains from Hanging. I don’t know that pumping alone would fit into the “Ultimate Length” category even though I know that people report length gains from pumping. They seem pretty slow compared to girth.

I think you would have to divide it into two groups of people

Group 1: People who have a longer stretched length than erect length

Group 2: People who have equal stretched length and erect length (or maybe within .25”)

I think group 1 would see a lot bigger gains in length from jelqing/pumping/clamping than group 2. And this may result in misleading information if not categorized, since a person from group 1 would report 1/4” length gain from jelqing, whereas a person from group 2 will report little if any gains.

As long there is jelqing and heat involved, I am cool.

How about bends?

Hello jjohn83,

Because I am a newbie, I don’t have any gains yet so no input on that yet.. But I have a remark about the two suggested groups. I don’t know if I am an exception, but my stretched length is at least an inch shorter than my erect length.. So maybe it is better to use the following: group 1 stretched > erect & group 2 stretched ≤ erect

Just some input from a newbie, cheers!

I would say that extending has clinical evidence to support significant length increase based on hours in traction, as well as lots of anecdotal evidence.

Wow, a lot of replies. Nice. One step at the time.

There seems to be a general consensus about jelqs and constant heat. This is already a good point. Can we all agree that wet or dry jelqs doesn’t make much of a difference? Just jelq, wet or dry is your choice.

They could, but how do will know if they wouldn’t had gained the same or better with another routine?

That is a hard question. Generally speaking, you should progress from the lower force to the higher; since extenders apply less force than hanging (although on average not much less as many would believe), one should go with an extender first.

I have to say that I tried hanging before an extender, and the extender worked as well.

I would say thinking in terms of total hanging time is the more simple way. If you tried hanging for 6 months but hung 10 minutes per day, it’s unlikely that you could get gains. So we should find a total number of hanging time that, we could agree on, should give some measurable gains. I would say 200 hours is a good number, but if anyone has a different idea write that down.

I don’t think different angles are that important. I think stretching or hanging only SD will be the most efficient way, except for some guys with special bodily features. Hanging BTC is just hanging SD with a fulcrum, so it isn’t a different angle, properly speaking. Hanging OTS mostly stretches the underside of the penis, which is very elastic so won’t give permanent gains. Hanging or stretching SO will mimic the erection length, so to speak, but will just put part of the force on the ventral side and part on the dorsal side.

So, we have another point we should find a consensus on: is it true or not that the most important part of the penis to lengthen for permanent gains is the dorsal one? Except in the case you have a downward curve, of course.

Could divide for those using equipment and who does not use

Routine 90 days