Girth theory: Pumping vs. clamping

Vets & Mods: everything has been discussed already, I know. I just want to discuss THIS with THOSE who wish to. Thank you.

Clamping: Increases pressure and volume inside the penis and therefor stretches the tunica directly.

Pumping: Decreases the Pressure surrounding the penis and thereby indirectly increases the volume. However, this volume effect can occur, at least in part, via expansion of the tissue between the skin and the tunica without affecting the tunica much.

Conclusion: at comparable pressure difference (and possible tissue damage) clamping should be a more effective girth routine.

Your opinion? (Except tat it’s been discussed in the past :) ).

That’s some great gains! What exactly is your routine with those three exercises?

I’ve never had more than minor injuries from just pumping, even pushing the extremes.
I’ve had much worse, and quite a few, injuries just clamping.

The only two serious PE injuries I’ve had (3+ months recovery before being able to PE again even lightly) both came from combining clamping and pumping.

These days I mostly pump. I do not clamp at all now, despite having been a fanatical extreme clamper in the past.

I’ve come to this thread late, but I guess better late than never.

First I have no irons in the fire on this issue as I neither pump or clamp. I personally have achieved great gains with jelqs, squeezes and slinkies. I have no bias one versus the other and respect any guy who uses any of the possible options to obtain enhancement, in this case girth.

That being said, I have to jump on board with ttt on this issue regarding a couple of points he made.

Compliance (minus the equation, which make most guys eye’s glaze and have them say no not another scientific explanation) is simply the ease of distensibility of a tissue to a given pressure. A tissue, like let say the tunica, does not have the same compliance throughout its stretch to its maximum. This means as the tunica approaches its maximum distention its ability to stretch further decrease to a very low level, that is its compliance is very low.

So what’s this got to do with clamping or pumping, you ask? A lot. I know that when I now reach full erection, my penis is hard as a rock. The tunica is at maximum distention (at least for now). The cavernosa are maximally filled with blood. The Ischiocavernosus muscles are contracting. The cavernosa pressure is 200 - 300 mmHg. No additional blood can enter the cavernosa because the pressure inside exceeds arterial pressure.

So how do you increase the tension on the tunica to achieve stress induces circumferential expansion?

I have problems understanding how a negative pressure will cause further distension of the tunica, the target of your endeavor. At maximum erection with a very rock hard tunica, pumping at pressures not exceeding medically recommended levels (200 - 250 mmHg, 270 - 340 cmH2O, 7.9 - 9.8 inHg) would have minimal effect. You will not be able to elevate the tunica to increase blood volume in the cavernosa as the pressure will still be above arterial pressure (unless you’ve got untreated very high blood pressure). I see pumping only effect at this degree of erections to be on the tissue under the skin and over the tunica (subcutaneous tissue) filled with very loose connective tissue.

Now I am not saying that pumping doesn’t have effect at lower levels of erection (as we know that jelqing does). And this maybe where potential gains may occur. I just have problems visualizing an almost non-compliant tunica being affect by negative pressure at maximum erection. I believe you’d have as much success pumping a glass penis dildo. If I’m misinformed, please let me know.

As for clamping, when placing a clamp on the penis base at max erection, you are also not adding new blood to the cavernosa (though you are moving blood away from the clamp site, probably both directions; toward and away from the head). The effect is an increase in cavernosa pressure to God only knows how high. With a low compliant tunica, the effect on pressure would be like trying to put more fluid in a copper pipe. The pressure sky-rockets. This definitely puts a significant tension on the tunica which will probably cause tension-induced fibroblast stimulation for collagen remodeling; hopefully at a greater girth.

This is a direct effect internally vs. An indirect effect with negative pressure externally. At this very specific point in an erection, I would believe that clamping has an advantage over pumping. Again, this does not mean that at lower levels of erection, the situation may be different.

Just my opinion.

Now I’d like to address a pet peeve. The use of the word lymph to describe the swelling in the penis after any PE maneuver (particularly pumping) is incorrect. It’s like saying the the Yankees beat the Red Sox in the bottom of the ninth by scoring two points. Both grate like the sound of fingernails on a chalk board.

The body has three spaces where fluid can go, the cells, inside the blood vessels and a third place outside the cells and the blood vessels known as the extracellular space. The amount of fluid in this space (known as extracellular fluid, or ECF for short) is very tightly regulated. By the way ECF represents a very significant portion of the fluid in your body.

The main function of the lymphatic system is to drain excess ECF (though there are other functions of the lymphatic system). Fluid in this 3rd space (as it is commonly called) is known as ECF, when it enters the lymphatics system and is drained to lymph nodes, it is called lymph fluid.

In general, the factors that tend to keep fluid in the blood and not flooding into the extracellular space is described by Starlings Law of Filtration which ttt alluded to. I described this in a post on a thread about excess fluid in the penis but the thread has been removed (I checked my postings). So let me briefly explain.

Fluid moves by pressure, from high pressure to low pressure, like water in a pipe. Water (which is the main component of the fluid we are talking about) moves easily through the vessel wall in the blood capillaries. The pressure in the blood capillaries is between 40 - 60 mmHg and the pressure in the extracellular space can normally be between -3 to 5 mmHg. If pressure was the only factor affecting how much fluid stayed in the blood vessels, then the 3rd space would be flooded ECF. It is not the only factor.

There are large proteins in the blood besides the blood cells which cannot diffuse through the blood vessel wall at the capillaries. Everybody has probably heard of osmosis. For those that haven’t or don’t know what it means, it is the diffusion of water from areas of high concentration (meaning water) to low concentration. Since there are large proteins in the blood but very few proteins in the ECF, the concentration of water in the ECF is higher, so diffusion is from ECF to the blood. This counteracts the pressure effect describe above.

This system is not perfect. There is a net loss of fluid to the ECF, though it is small. If it is not reabsorbed by capillaries, it moves around the 3rd space to equalize the pressure. The increased overall pressure in the 3rd space causes the flied to move towards lymph channels where it is taken away by lymph vessels to nodes.

Anything that alter this balance between pressures and protein concentrations can effect the amount of ECF, very rapidly. Negative pressure within the extracellular space, which can be expected with pumping at high levels of erection as the cavernosa reaches maximal volume, will cause an increase pressure difference which will counteract the blood proteins ability to hold fluid in the vessels and ECF volume will increase.

The same can be true for clamping. When the clamp is placed, pressure within the arteries and veins increase. This will also affect the pressure difference between the capillaries and the 3rd space. This will increase ECF volume until the pressure in the extracellular space rises to a level when the blood proteins can maintain the fluid in the blood. So during clamping, ECF volume will increase but not to the volume as in pumping.

So why am I peeved. The excess fluid in the extracellular space is called edema, not lymph. The vast majority of the effect of negative pressure on fluid build up is at the capillaries, not from drawing appreciable quantities of lymph fluid back into the penis.

You ask how fast can this fluid move out of the capillaries to fill the 3rd space. Well, a good example is a young well conditioned scuba diver whose tank runs out of air and he tries to take a breath against an empty tank. The negative pressure he generates to take this breath is enough to immediately (within seconds) fill his lung with fluid. This is called flash pulmonary edema. The negative pressure throws the factors out of balance instantaneously.

Sure the penis is not the lungs, but the principle is the same. The amount of pressure required to pull significant amounts of lymph fluid into the penis would probably turn the penis inside out. Besides, the amount of pressure within the extracellular space from the increased ECF that the negative pressure would produce would not allow fluid to enter the penis from the lymph vessels. The lymph channels would have a lower pressure and excess ECF, in fact, would be pushing its way into the lymph vessels and not out.

Guys, the excess fluid in your penis is edema fluid and not lymph fluid.

I hope I’ve explained this clearly.

If this is true, why do I still get fluid build up and get a donut when I clamp? If 100% of the pressure is within the walls of the tunica, I don’t think I would have a problem in this area.