Is It In Yet????

Yikes! Even if unspoken, this probably “goes with the territory” when you have sex with women who have been very active sexually. I guess there are reasons for monogomous traditions!

Always good to have your input, Lloyd.

That’s just what monogamy is for: to protect our fragile male egos. :rolleyes:

I suppose it will be best if we all just die and go to heaven where 77 virgins await us or something.

Sexual experience requires a kind of security that comes from within one’s self. That security is good to foster for a number of reasons. And it can come from a variety of things besides dick size.

This is good to remember when confronted with such a situation: you might be drawing a conclusion from a comparison that is not actually being made.

I know this might be hard to wrap your mind around, but there is great truth in it.

I don’t think I misinterpreted what you said about women making such statements. I just, like I think Dino said, think you seem to give a lot of credit to women on this.

Sure, it’s all human, men and women make those mistakes. But mistakes concerning communication and how one acts on them indicate a lot about one’s character. If someone cannot realise that it is in human nature to make mistakes, if he cannot be forgiving and patient, then it will be tough for him to find company. Of any kind.

But there are limits. Certain things are to be treated in a delicate manner and when someone fails to show that he understands how thin the lines (not between right and wrong, but between what hurts and what not, what helps a relationship and what doesn’t)are, I think there’s only little you can do.

I do appreciate women around me being open. Even on matters concerning penis size, when of course it is a matter to them. But how they are open, the way they handle their impulse to speak about something can show a lot about how much they understand me. Really, I have heard a lot of comments that would make other people end a relationship, but because they were expressed in a way that indicated good intentions (bring me closer, help me understand better, etc) they made me feel good rather than bad.

If you think about it, intimacy is built on things that it is tough for you to share with someone else.

So, while it is not the end of the world to hear something like that. It takes much more so that it won’t be the end of the relationship.

That’s what I am talking about. This is something that shows quality of character. Realising how delicate this matter is.

That gave me a good laugh. I must say, you make conversations very enjoyable.

But in case what you quoted seemed ill intended, I must say that it was not. Perhaps my English needs more improvement than I think it does. Oh well…

I know this. But my erection levels vary. Especially the first years of sexual encounters, because I DO think more than needed while having sex and that some times puts me off. Anyways, I am working on this and I must say, thinking while having sex is not really a bad think. Mind can work in a way that helps you intensify the experience.

Also I do have a comment about this. Some months ago, when I discovered thunders, after I read average size related topics, I had a chat with my best friend about sizes. I was deep into numbers and theories about numbers (for men’s volume, for women’s depth, arousal levels, you name it) and talking a lot about them. At some point, I got this response from my friend : “Well, I don’t really care, what I care about is that I am able to ‘fill’ my girl.”.

This brought me back to reality. All these talks about average, is taken too seriously. There are so many different sizes/shapes/ankles, that when it comes to what really matters, is more about how much you match with the girl you are interested in, rather than how big/small you are or she is.

Since then, when thinking about a woman I like, just before sex, what I might think is not “I am big enough.”, but “Hm, let’s see how it fits. On what level do we match.”

Well, self-torture… Of course, this can be viewed as a result of something else. I mean, what really made me feel bad was not what she did, but the fact that I couldn’t understand why she did it. So, of course imagination did it’s tricks while I was trying to understand, but I felt like I had to deal with this.

I mean, it kind of seems bad for me to reject(erase/forget?) an experience which offered me so much (pleasure, wider perspective on many things about women, beauty and so many other things) because it just ended bad. What happened in the end, is just a part of the experience. It has a certain extent and I had to realise what it was. Letting a bad incident ruin one really beautiful memory and making me feel bad about a part of my past, doesn’t sound good.

Well, the problem was that she cheated.

But it is not the only and perhaps not the most important problem one. Most important for me was why.

Sure, sometimes you cannot find a rational explanation on how someone behaves, but most of the times it’s worth asking yourself such questions (even though they can make you very miserable, oh, this “why” ruins everything :-) ).

I Do believe that when a woman is satisfied by what you provide her, she won’t be easily fascinated by something she doesn’t know. So, at some point, I wasn’t good enough. So, “where” was I wrong ?

That’s the point where it is important to communicate. Instead she turned to some other guy. That’s the actual problem. That she run away, instead of trying to work things out.

Separation begins, when one is not willing (for whatever reason) to share, to expose oneself to the person one cares about. How it is completed seems to be of minor significance. For me, what hurts is the loss of someone I like, rather than how it happens.

And, I wasn’t exactly forgiving, there is nothing to forgive, it was a fucked up situation and I had my part of this. What she did bad, she realised it later. There was no reason for me to make things worse for her. Each one gets what he deserves (well, almost true). Choosing to run instead of fighting for something you want/like, won’t lead you anywhere. It’s such a pity though.

I am trying :-) .

pocopeepee

You are the man ! :-)

PS: Hm, that’s a huge post, but with paragraphs.

Ok, now its my turn. I’ve never heard the phrase, is it in yet? But I have heard something just as bad. As far back as i can remember i’ve always wanted a bigger dick. A lot of it has come from guys in porn and the massive dicks that they have. And always hearing girls talking about prefering guys with big dicks or big feet, and i feel like its haunted me for a very long time. I always knew i was below average and always wanted to do something about it.

I remember as far back as when i was about 12 and other guys in the shower after the physical education at school actually pointing and laughing at my size and the fact that i actually went through puberty before everyone else in my class. After that i was sure to take really long undressing so i’d be the last in the shower and no one would look, or i’d run 1st in and shower really quick before everyone else got in.

The summer after i left secondary school was when i lost my virginity and thats when the worst part hit me. I met a really cute girl, we used to talk a lot, we got on really well. Then one day the talk got sexual and she told me she noticed my bulge and really wanted to have sex with me, i thought the guys at school must have been wrong for her to notice me so i said OK lets go, we kissed got real steamy and when she pulled my boxers down i heard “OH!”, like, thats dissappointing, not how i thought it would be OH.

But because it kind of stuck in the back of my mind even when at college i joined the gym went 4 times a week but never showered there, i always took a long walk or run home to have a shower. I always told other people it was the perfect way to warm down after a work out but i knew it was actually because of size.

Since i actually remember measuring i’ve been about 5 nbp and never liked it. The same thing basically happened when i went to university, joined the gym but actually never used it once in all of my time there and i recently worked abroad for a year and a half and joined a really expensive gym and again never used it.

Thats when i threw in the towel and thought that i had to do something about it. I’d always known something about jelqing ever since i’ve had the internet but never fell apon a site where there were so many people doing PE and getting results. I did massive exstensive searches and came across some pay sites but also came across Thunders. So i joined at the begining of August and here i am. Still on the newbie routine and big gains here i come!

WorkingOut, you’re not a native English speaker either? Wow.

We Americans are so spoiled and lazy when it comes to language. Anyway, well done: I would never have guessed.

You insight is really good and appreciated. I think we basically agree, although we may be coming at this from a different slant.

It’s not that I feel women deserve special treatment or are exempt from good manners, and I do realize this thread is a means for people to vent their traumas and find support - which I am all for, 100%. It’s that we must be careful we don’t allow ourselves, in venting frustrations, to be carried away with “bitch did me wrong” sentiment to the point where we abandon our responsibility to look at our own attitudes, or worse, get lost in generalizing “all women are guilty of…” blah, blah, blah. That’s crap and an abdication of our personal strength in the long run.

Axrhstos is a perfect example. Yeah, she crossed a line, but no, she didn’t do it intentionally. In the aftermath he didn’t address it and find a way to move beyond it; so it undid him and the relationship.

My suspicion was correct: alcohol was involved in her reminisence. We’ve ALL said things we regret under the influence, either by being too truthful and tactless, or by saying something in a way that it’s misconstrued (I believe the latter to be true in this case). Is this a major indictment of character? Only if it’s habitual.

Axrhstos described one incident after a year long relationship. My guess is it was uncharacteristic or he’d have said, “This was not the first time” etc.

It’s entirely possible to do everything right and have things turn out wrong. Because the other person is on their own journey and will make choices you have no influence over - no matter what you do.

In all of this we must listen and communicate, be the best we can be, and hope for the best.

Ok, best thread ever.

I’ve been off PE for ages (i know, i’m ashamed of myself) but reading up to page 10 of this thread has made me decide to pick up again as of tommorow. I’m saving the rest of the thread for when my motivation drops!

People just don;t realise how important penis size is to some if not all guys… it really can be a matter of life and death!

Tigermouth just think you been here 4 years you could have made some serious gains:) Good luck

No no, I am from Greece too.

Of course. You are right on this.

But I didn’t say “right”, I talked about keeping her completely satisfied.

Again though, you are right, you can’t be sure if a woman is entirely satisfied, or even if she is, people are strange (great “The Doors” song:P) so, sure, many things can go in a different way than we expect them to go.

But, let’s focus on how to keep a woman satisfied (in every level) so we can demand them to treat us the same way. Beyond this, life is life, what can you do ? :-)

Anyway, on topic.

This summer it was the first time I was in a beach naked, around 4 other guys and 2 girls. I have to say, I had the smallest flaccid among the guys. Before I take my clothes of I kept thinking “I know I will seem the smallest, my flaccid is awful” and stuff like this (which eventually was true). But the sea was so beautiful, I really wanted to try swimming and lying on the sun naked. So after of some moments standing still and with the others joking about the way I stood there, I took my clothes off.

I must say, even though there were jokes about sizes, swimming naked and the freedom I felt was unique. The rest, I don’t remember now.
It’s all about what you are missing while staying within the limits of your fears. And we don’t live twice, neither do I believe in some after life,so …

Depends what you’re after in a thread, but maybe the most honest and heart-felt thread ever. Every post is well and intelligently written. The heart speaks a more fluent language than the mind!

I am lucky to post the next one after what Firegoat said.

Because I get to agree with both comments there.

Firegoat and Tigermoth are both totally correct in my opinion.

This thread perked me right back up.

I was getting frustrated with my plateau, and reading these stories and remembering my own got me all fired up again.

Not to mention I am 35 and hooked up with a gorgeous 22 year old who claims to still be a virgin.

She is in no hurry and since I want to impress the hell out of her the first time she sees/feels it, I am in no hurry either.

I just hope I get some gains before we do.

I don’t want to have another story for this thread!

I’d love just once to hear an OOH! Instead of “oh”.

We are incapable of satisfying another.

All we can do is offer the best of ourselves.

Satisfaction comes from within.

The result of how individuals meet their own needs from the world around them and their level of contentment with whatever and whoever is in their life.

By doing ‘everything right’ I mean doing our best to offer our best to the other person, in an effort to help them to their own satisfaction.

It is sheer ego to assume I am responsible for another’s satisfaction. My job is to create my own; hopefully I can do this for myself by helping to aid my partner to create her own. I can do no more. Nor can you or anyone really.

You are Greek.

Such demands are sure to backfire, unless that is what an individual is looking for (or willing to accept) as part of the way they meet their needs.

I’m not big on issuing demands; I know how I respond when they are made of me. I rebel.

I am looking for a different level of understanding and reciprocity. Nothing wrong with being clear about what you want - that’s good in fact, but let’s not get carried away.

This can mean a few different things. I’m not sure what you mean.

I will get to a story or two of my own. I don’t want to try to post them while using my Treo - it has a very limited text field. I will need more space.

Anyway. More heartfelt posts to come …

When I wrote about keeping a woman satisfied this is what I had in mind :

She, as a different individual has some needs. Some of them are obvious, some are not. Start from the obvious things she needs and begin to understand the less obvious. Try to offer what you can based on what you are and what her needs are. That’s the best I think I can do: get closer, understand, offer.

How she accepts what I have to offer, is not within my powers to determine.

So basically, I tried to say the same thing. I think…

Well, totally responsible no. Paying a part , partly responsible, yes.

I really wonder why you used my nationality there. Seriously, I am curious.

Anyway, that didn’t came out right.

Demand, was the wrong word to use. It has some kind of violence (oppressive?) in it, I guess… Scratch that phrase. What I wanted to say was that only when we try our best is fair to expect from others similar treatment.

Each fear we have works as an obstacle on how we are finally going to act. Action is often prevented by what we fear. For example fear of rejection, can prevent someone from approaching a beautiful lady.

Fear of humiliation, can prevent someone from enjoying the sea in a sunny day.

Of course, some limitations that come from our fears are useful. Most people are afraid to jump off the fifth floor and there’s a good reason to take such fear seriously.

What I wanted to say, is that what we fear is often a result of overestimating (taking too seriously) other people’s judgement (friends, family, society,whatever) on personal matters while this is just another way to escape some of our impulses and enjoy life more.

You are very cool WorkingOut.

I have new respect for you with each post.

I can’t respond in depth right now but you are excellent in dialog. :thumbs:

Seems like this thread has been dead for a little while, but it’s the appropriate place for my post so here goes.

I’ve never really had an issue with my size personally and never had any complaints. Of course, women aren’t always honest in this department thankfully. I really just got on a kick with the new year to get myself back into really good shape. I weight about 200 and should probably weight about 185. My wife rarely makes comments about my weight, but my Dad and brother are well over 200 and she makes negative comments about the fact that I’d best not get that way. Dropping the weight won’t be much of an issue and I’ve started lifting again as well so I’ll be in good shape in a couple of months.

Since I was going on this get in shape kick, I started thinking a little about penis size. My wife and I usually have good sex, though not nearly as often as I would like. She usually has multiples during intercourse. However, sometimes it seems like she is having a hard time getting off. This may or may not have anything to do with my size (from the things I’ve read here and other places I am average to slightly above average in that department). In any case, I almost enjoy watching her get off more than getting off myself. So I figured a little extra size couldn’t hurt and started researching. I, of course, found all of the pay sites, pills, etc.. I was very skeptical, but almost sold on buying some of the products until I stumbled upon this place. Thank goodness for that. I am strongly encouraged and motivated to see if I can make myself bigger. I’ve seen a lot of people post that you should do it for yourself and in a way I am, but if it were entirely for myself I probably wouldn’t be nearly as motivated.

We just got back from vacation and while on vacation I did something I’ll never do again. I asked my wife if she’d ever had any big ones. She was very reluctant to answer, but I convinced her by saying that I know I’m pretty average and there are bigger ones than mine. So she said yes, she had dated someone in college that was big. I asked how big and she had no idea, but obviously it was bigger than mine. She said, “it was just LARGE”, with the emphasize on the large.

I didn’t think this would bother me, but I thought about it constantly for the next several days.

I have also noticed that when we are having sex, she seems to get the most satisfaction when she is on top driving it in as far as possible and when I am on top and she has a hold of my ass pulling me in as deep as possible.

So, that’s why I’m here. If I get no gains, I’ll be fine with it. I am hopeful and optimistic. I started PE this week on the Newbie Routine and I am going to switch to the Modified Newbie Routine starting tomorrow.

I have posted a starting pic in that thread here: - Modified Newbie Routine

Hey Dino, did you get any decent gains before you split up with the ex? Does she know what you’re packin’ these days?