More thoughts on how growth occurs.

After seeing pics of people that have achieved massive PE gains—I would be inclined to believe scar tissue is not playing much of a role in their gains, even on a microscopic level.

The Africans that wear bands around their necks and keep adding them one by one until their neck is freakishly long or those South American natives that wear bigger & bigger pieces of wood in their bottom lip until their bottom lip becomes huge seem to apply principles that are effective in PE. I think the whole thesis of Firegoat post is to discuss the possible scientific explanations for growth.

The more I read the more clear it seems to me that scar tissue is something I will want to avoid. The tissue (as stated in other posts) is 10 times stronger than normal tissue, and it tends to shrink after it develops. This gives me serious doubts about anyone advancing a theory that some kind of scar tissue formation on a micro or macro level can play a significant beneficial role in gains.

blink, I’m sorry, but it seems that Africans you are speaking of were not really elongating their necks. The subject has been treaten many times on this site.

I have question about the concept of scaring in the first place. Scar tissue is different from the surrounding tissue it binds. Hence it is more dense and of a different nature. Once in place is is tenacious and changes over time very slowly. What I perceive here is that collagen is collagen and even though we might have a greater buildup of it on the area that it is attracted to it, never the less, is same stuff that the ligament is made of. Whether or not more of it is deposited in a particular area is dependent on how much damaged is done. If a great amount of damage is applied then more collagen will be needed to fill in, so to speak the area in question. If we maintain a low level disturbance then what collagen is called in to repair or heal an area will not be great enough that toughening or strengthening will take place.

Given the fact that scar tissue thins out over time very slowly the our short decon breaks could hardly be responsible for a reset of the original conditions of damaged tissues. Scar tissue given time but no manipulation of the area will virtually never go away. So I wonder if scare tissue is really what is taking place.

I guess the bigger question here is: Can collagen be reassimulated as quickly as it can be applied?

Monty530 — what you’re saying makes perfect sense. The growth must come from collagen replacing ligament tissue. As I mentioned above, it seems scar tissue can’t by any means contribute to growth. Everything stated about scar tissue by anyone seems counterproductive to growth.

One note here.. Firegoat — the info you posted is awesome, thanks so much for sharing some of your medical knowledge.

Sorry! LOL, mispost.

My bad!

So,are we saying that the gains are not from scar tissue or that scar tissue isn’t even happening?

I practice PE with a firmness harder then masturbation but not seemingly as abusive as a lot of the crazy stuff I see on here..

Basically I just practice with a fair degree of hardness to the point It feels fatigued(itchy,tired) but not friggin bleeding.I did over train a few days ago when it came to stretching, I just pulled to hard for to long and must of pinched a nerve because I was impotent for like 2 days and it felt cold.but then it perked right up and even seemed to a looser hang and weirdly enough more sensitivity,this is the second time I injured myself like this were it comes back with seemingly more sensitivity,is it possible that PE generates more nerve endings?again I know relatively nothing about the human anatomy

Marinera has a huge thread on the science of PE, which has been running for hundreds of posts, and no absolute consensus has been forthcoming! My belief is: Gains are not from scar tissue. Scar tissue is not necessary to gains (although with excessive force it may be created, and will ultimately limit gains). With the correct level of force, an adaptive collagen response will occur. There will, in many cases, be a noticeable increase in elasticity first (hence ‘newbie’ gains that are easily lost, but useful as an indicator that sufficient force is being used to require adaptation).

If you are getting injuries, you are using too much force. No, PE will not create new nerve endings; if it feels more sensitive post injury, it may be residual nerve inflammation, or just that your penis has felt impotent and unresponsive for a couple of days before.

I went back to some light manual clamping about a month ago, after having no PE’d much for a few months. I was obviously cautious in doing so and conditioned my unit a little for a couple of weeks with jelqing. But what was interesting, is that I was getting about 0.3” of temporary girth expansion(just under 5.5” to just under 5.8”) in my manual clamps.

This has never been the case for me, and I used to only get about 0.1” of temporary expansion. Perhaps sometime between stopping my routine and picking it up again, my tunica aquired more elastic tissue.

I’m going to seize the opportunity and start some regular manual clamping, to try and make that 0.3” expansion a little more permanent.

P.s. great information Firegoat; very thought provoking.

Is how much firmness are we supposed to be using?because I can be pretty firm and it will still Get up.

One bad thing though is the left side of the base of my shaft appears more Bumpy,probably because I been hand clamping there usually with the right hand,sore and bumpy,that doesn’t sound like scar tissue right? What does scar tissue feel like?I feel a few hard tiny spots here and there

setiamon:
I wouldn’t worry about small hard tiny spots. They’ll get reabsorbed over time. If they start to grow, then I would do two things first stop your exercises and then It would be a good idea to see a physician to see what he says. Can’t hurt and it will settle your mind about possible complications. Usually these things work themselves out.

man-of-10:
I think your right on with your assessment. I would do just like you indicate and just keep doing. I think your going to be surprised at your progress here in the near future.

:eek2: Monty, allow me to say that your gains and current size are legendary.

Yeah the hard spots did go away,cool.were they thrombosed veins?

It’s hard to gauge how hard I’m supposed to jelqing.the videos don’t really help

Gains are simply a result of improving the erectile pressure efficiency. The weakening of suspensor ligaments and improvement of blood flow characteristics result in larger erections. Soon the existing erectile pressure gradient is able to take advantage of exposing more of your inner penis and the blood volume is increased due to the greater capacity of the blood carrying vessels and chambers. Some people just over think their penis.

So are you saying it isn’t about breaking down the penis threw pressure but just improving bloodflow capacity?