My quest for PE knowledge - with conclusion!

I started PE in and got results probably from day two.

I started with:

Warm-up (I edge for 10 minutes, getting my dick as hard as possible)

Jelqing,
Kegels,
Manual stretches (up down and sideways),
And fowfers.
For the first few days I also did an exercise I found on another site. I call these kegel stretches, but that might not mean the same to everyone, so please see my description later on. I have seen this exercise on thunders, but it seems rare.

I abandoned the stretches and the kegel stretches after a few days in favour of the fowfers.

What blew me away was the dramatic improvement in EQ. In particular, the base of my cock got an angry monster look - I loved it. I gained half an inch in BPEL within two weeks, which became permanent after 4 weeks after I talked to sparkyx in his EQ or PI threads. It turned out I was over-training. He also taught me a lot about monitoring the body, and encouraged me in the research I present here.

After a few weeks, I began to notice that the EQ boost I had gotten in the beginning, especially the monster look at the base had subsided. I was not too worried as I had gained, but it played on my mind, so I hatched a plan to not only get it back, but find out what caused it. This took some time!

How I found what caused the base EQ boost
I decided to go back to the beginning, and start again.

So first I took a 6 week break from PE, no exercises except edging, (which I have done all my life!).

Then I started back, but with one crucial difference - I brought in one exercise at a time, with about six weeks of doing an exercise before introducing the next one.

I did it 3 days per week only.
Monday. Wednesday. Friday.

I knew it was not the fowfers, so I left them out.

So after my normal warm-up,

I started with jelqing only for 6 weeks.
Result - good, but no base EQ boost.

Then I added the kegels.
Result - harder cock, but still no base boost.

At this point I got fed up, because I knew it was not the fowfers - I got length from them but not the base girth. So mI did not know what to do next. After mulling this over for a while in my tent, I had a brainwave, that I did not even trust..

I remembered that I had started doing kegel stretches, but had given up on them early on. Could this be why I lost the base EQ boost early on?

So I added kegel stretches. Bingo! By the end of the week, I had the base EQ thing going on, I was ecstatic!

Here is a description of what I call “kegel stretches” If there is already another exercise with this name, please do tell me :)

Kegel Stretches
Warning: It is easy to over-train doing this exercise. Especially because it can make the base of your dick seem bigger in days, there is the temptation to think, “if a little is good, more must be better” - and “if moderate force is good, yanking hard must be better”. WRONG! I got carried away with this a few weeks ago and got damage. And believe me, I am super cautious! If you don’t have the discipline to do this gently, this is NOT the exercise for you.

Basically, sitting upright or standing you get a 10% erection, and pull your cock gently straight up (12 o’clock on the LOT clock) using a light OK grip. You must be able to see the head, as you must stop if you see and red/purple dots forming, as this means you have gone too hard, and need a week off.
At any sign of injury - pain or discomfort of any kind, take 3 days off. This exercise should feel good. The upwards stretch often gives me a nice “I needed that” stretched feeling in the bulb of my cock - this is the buried part under the perineum.

Now do some kegels. If you are not pulling too hard, your fist should bob up and down. If it does not, then it means your LOT index means you can not usefully do this exercise, so please STOP.

My theory is that this is the equivalent of women doing kegels with an object inserted vaginally. The object provides resistance. We men can’t use an object. (It’s no use putting something up the butt! It might be a fun exercise, but they are the wrong muscles). Sparkyx calls this exercise “kegeling against resistance”. Using an object enables women to develop a “killer grip”.

I usually do 50-100 of these 3 times per week.

Because of the power that resistance adds to this exercise, it is easy to fatigue the kegel group if you over-do it. You can tell if this happens because your fist will bob up and down less, and you EQ will drop, and you won’t get hard as quickly as normal, or you will get hard, but it won’t stay up for a marathon session. I got all these results until I backed off the repetitions. If you get the fatigue reaction, simply don’t do any kegels of any type for 4 days, and you will be harder than ever. I would advise not going into fatigue. The next stop after fatigue is injury. We are not dealign with the biceps here. The PC group has a complex function that is not fully understood. Hence all my warnings.

If anybody tries this, may I suggest they take 3 erect girth measurements before they start:
Base, mid-shaft and below glans
- And report the results here.

I should probably do these again, because I remember I could shoot over 6 feet when I was doing these!

Sparky, we should worship at your feet! Or should that read: feat? :D

Thanks for the towel trick reminder.

Me and the Mrs. split up 4 years ago, but still friends.

I’m glad you bumped it back alive as well. I’m going to incorporate it into my newbie routine.

Kegel Stretches
Warning: It is easy to over-train doing this exercise. Especially because it can make the base of your dick seem bigger in days, there is the temptation to think, “if a little is good, more must be better” - and “if moderate force is good, yanking hard must be better”. WRONG! I got carried away with this a few weeks ago and got damage. And believe me, I am super cautious! If you don’t have the discipline to do this gently, this is NOT the exercise for you.

Basically, sitting upright or standing you get a 10% erection, and pull your cock gently straight up (12 o’clock on the LOT clock) using a light OK grip. You must be able to see the head, as you must stop if you see and red/purple dots forming, as this means you have gone too hard, and need a week off.
At any sign of injury - pain or discomfort of any kind, take 3 days off. This exercise should feel good. The upwards stretch often gives me a nice “I needed that” stretched feeling in the bulb of my cock - this is the buried part under the perineum.

Now do some kegels. If you are not pulling too hard, your fist should bob up and down. If it does not, then it means your LOT index means you can not usefully do this exercise, so please STOP.

My theory is that this is the equivalent of women doing kegels with an object inserted vaginally. The object provides resistance. We men can’t use an object. (It’s no use putting something up the butt! It might be a fun exercise, but they are the wrong muscles). Sparkyx calls this exercise “kegeling against resistance”. Using an object enables women to develop a “killer grip”.

I usually do 50-100 of these 3 times per week.

Because of the power that resistance adds to this exercise, it is easy to fatigue the kegel group if you over-do it. You can tell if this happens because your fist will bob up and down less, and you EQ will drop, and you won’t get hard as quickly as normal, or you will get hard, but it won’t stay up for a marathon session. I got all these results until I backed off the repetitions. If you get the fatigue reaction, simply don’t do any kegels of any type for 4 days, and you will be harder than ever. I would advise not going into fatigue. The next stop after fatigue is injury. We are not dealign with the biceps here. The PC group has a complex function that is not fully understood. Hence all my warnings.

If anybody tries this, may I suggest they take 3 erect girth measurements before they start:
base, mid-shaft and below glans
- and report the results here.

Hey Marky!

I had completely forgotten about this thread, I even forgot some of my theories on EQ, LOL! I should probably do these again, because I remember I could shoot over 6 feet when I was doing these!

The other one to consider adding is the old "lift the towel" exercise. I used to know what muscle that was, but its at the top of the penis where it connects to the pelvis, and when contracted, it lifts the penis up. The muscles exercised with this exercise (kegel stretches) is at the underside of the penis at the base, and pulls it in it seems, it also squeezes the tunica making the glans expand. This is probably why the base girth thickens, purely making the muscle that wraps around the base of the penis thicker. So its the muscle around the tunica that is thicker, no change in the tunica.

My favorite way to "lift the towel" exercise is when water pumping. With the cylinder on my dick, and its filled with water, I contract the muscle that lifts it. Its great because water pumping forces the penis into fully erect state, and you don’t have to worry about the erection fading. You can do as many as you want…however as in the kegel stretches, you have to be careful not to over do it, you can over train a muscle and make it temporarily weaker.

The muscles on the top of the penis are supposed to also create a harder erection, but it won’t increase ejaculation force like the ones at the base will. I think its good to exercise them both! Like working biceps and triceps, lol!

Great seeing you resurrect this thread! Hows the Missus? Send her my regards!

Really good post Marky777!

I think kegeling against resistance produces gains in EQ at a very fast rate. I also think the base gains are very similar to what hangers see, and certainly what swinging wts will produce.

As you may know, my hypothesis on EQ is that the 2 primary issues that effect it are smooth muscle recovery and BC stretch. What makes this approach particularly good for high EQ is that stretching ( one part of this exercise) tends to cause very little damage to smooth muscle, therefore you tend to keep fairly high recovery levels. Two, the kegeling against resistance, if not over done, tends to lead to very high levels of BC strength quickly.

The only thing I would add here is that BC muscle strength for sexual purposes seems to benefit from several different types of strength.
1) Absolute
2) Endurance
3) Speed
4) Holding

So, it there is any truth to that above statement (its just my thoughts guys) then I think its good to rotate your kegel resistance through different exercises.

1) For absolute strength, try and see how much resistance you can still “bob” you hand with. That is to say, when you contract, your hand will bob slightly. Try to increase the resistance over time and still be able to “bob” it. If you pull so hard that you can’t bob it, you are overwhelming your BC and really I don’t think that’s effective.

2) Going for reps, seeing how many you can do in a row.

3) Doing sets of 50-100 at as fast a pace as possible.

4) Doing sets of contracting as hard as possible and HOLD that contraction, for different lengths of time…10 seconds, 20, 30 maybe even up to a 60 second hold. Hold and contract as hard as possible. These can allow dry orgasms when they get strong enough, or multiple orgasms.

So, I think if you change up your workout, still keeping that 2-3 times per week, you will find ejaculation, EQ and even refractory period will greatly benefit. For some guys this can be the path to multiple male orgasms.

Remember, as Marky777 said, if you see a DROP in EQ, its probably that you are doing too much, so back off a bit.

Great job Marky777!!!