Optimizing PE considering tunica structure

I agree.

In my opinion the best approach would be hanging and clamping simultaneously.

When you mentioned working length and girth simultaneously I immediately thought of pumping. If it’s not a tight fit cylinder

I get great expansion in both directions (not fluid build up either.)

I have a hard time understanding what that picture is supposed to shown.

Hey Iguana this last week I have been doing a 10 min clamp session after 6 lbs traction hanging with the heavy static device and have noticed a big improvement in thickness and flaccid hang.I was thinking first use the heavy hanging stretch to stress out the ligs tunic and tendons and then clapping to do more internal stretching of the tunica while it’s in a fatigued state seems to be working. What do you think of this tactic to increase tunica stretching.

TTT,

Good thread! But don’t forget about H E A T!.

I’ve been getting some decent growth lately by air clamping (thanks monty!) with heat (rice socks) and then immediately going to a good stretching session with my vac-extender (also with heat).

I warm up 10 or so full rice socks and then wrap them in an insulator so that they don’t cool down. I just use them as needed. I’m not sure if it’s the routine and/or the addition of constant heat (as hot as you can stand), but I am very pleased with the gains!

Sounds like a very good idea to me. I always got better expansion from clamping and pumping after a tunica intensive workout.
I think that’s why guys who clamp tend to get better expansion as the sets increase.

What about twisting? Or even a twisted-pull?

You see, girth work and length work can not be the same with a cross-hatched structural pattern to the fibers. If we built a model of the penis shaft where the penis was erect and extended from the body at a 90 degree angle then one end of the model would be considered “fixed” even though there is still some flexure. This would be the body-side end of the shaft. The world-side is not fixed per-se, but the fibers come to a point and reinforce themselves as the circumference decreases to the foci.
The length of the shaft is greater than the width. The outward expansion of the shaft wall is resisted by the interwoven, but horizontal fibers that are strongest at resisting true tension. Linear expansion from length exercises would resisted more directly as it is a tensile force. However, the collagen fibers are not found arranged in a perfect line parallel to the force.
So, in this simple model, it makes sense to me that girth should be easier to achieve than length, especially mid-shaft where the fibers are farthest from the fixed point and the foci at the end of the shaft.

One possible way to make these fibers yield is to focus the same full effort on only half of the fibers at a time.

By twisting the shaft you might be “unwinding” the collagen fibers that are oriented against the direction of the twist (clock-wise vs. counter clock-wise). This should relieve most of those fibers from bearing the brunt of the tensile force. This would leave only the fibers that you are actually winding up to take the resist the pull.
As you twist the shaft you would be coiling one set of fibers even tighter and in a steel spring the arrangement of the structure would shorten. When you apply a tensile force to the wound-shortened structure you multiply the effectiveness of the stretch.

In theory, of course.

Then I guess you could twist the shaft the other way and repeat to balance the effect.
Or, may be you do these twisted-pulls in a clock-wise direction for 6 weeks and then switch the direction for six weeks. If you could get one set of cross-linked fibers to deform plastic-ally, then even a straight stretch would bear more on the fibers that remain more elastic.

Whatever.

Sounds like a good idea might try it in the stretcher low force over an hr time.This can be done if you have a vacuum type stretcher. Of course lower the tension so not to cut of blood supply. Easy enough to keep it on for 10 min then take it off but keep the vacuum attached to the penis then hook it back up.

I totally agree. I always use heat during the first 2/3 of a session and then let it cool down (still extended in whichever direction).

I don’t think that blood flow restriction is a problem - if you don’t exaggerate time-wise.

This would be an imitation of dry-jelqs, just way much more dangerous.

Yep - bundled stretches

This is the way I am understanding this thread, my own simplistic interpretation with insight:

We are thinking of two ways to make our penis bigger, by increasing length (L) and increasing width (W). Due to the structure of the tunica, the tunica resists stretches of L or W. You are suggesting that if we use L and W at the same time, we can deform the tunica.

But, using the knowledge I learned from reading the posts in this thread, I would suggest that if L and W are ineffective, that we use the 3rd dimension, height (H). This would involve your stretches where you use your hand as a fulcrum, to stretch the penis both outward (L) and up, down, left, and right (H). With jelqing, low internal pressure, and bending the penis in various directions to expand the tunica in ways with W and H.

This is as an uneducated person looking in, but I think the solution isn’t to use L and W at the same time, but to use L and H together, and W and H together.

What about getting a hard on while in the stretcher to to have internal pressure on the tunic and external force from the stretcher. Then allow the penis to go back to flaccid state increase tension then allow the penis to relax into the stretch for about 30 min then repeat process again. I guess we could follow the 10 min time limit as we do on clamping. I haven’t tried it but just a thought.

I think that twisting is definitely the best option for stretching the diagonal fibres (which must be the limiting factor in length and girth). It would isolate them as the force applied is closer to the direction of the fibres alignment. So where a longitudinal stretch would only stretch these diagonal fibres with a fraction of the force that the fibres parallel to the shaft would experience (due to the component force, using cosine etc for any mathematicians). The same goes to girth exercises. They would give the fibres running in the direction of the penis circumference a good stretch (disregarding the fact that the diagonal fibres may prevent this to some degree) but only a fraction of this force (the diagonal component of it found by using cos of the angle.) would be experienced by the diagonal fibres. The problem is that one has to stretch ALL the fibres maximally at the same time so that no fibres are limiting the stretching of others in different directions. I’m not quite sure how this would be done. I think however that stretching would be for the parallel fibres, girth work for the perpendicular fibres and twisting for the diagonal fibres (in both directions). If extra length is wanted, then one should stretch diagonally and parallel to the shaft. If girth is wanted then one should stretch the diagonal fibres and the perpendicular fibres(by girt exercises and twisting). Yet I’m not really sure about the alignment of the fibres; do they go in every direction or just parallel, perpendicular and diagonally to the shaft?