Penis Confusion - Routine Complexity

I’m not a veteran. I have realized some gains, and am now pretty confident that I’ll gain more.
Does routine effectiveness decrease as gains increase?

Do routines and techniques NEED to get more “extreme” as your cock gets larger to continue the gains? I see some of the biggest gainers doing WAY advanced and complicated things. Not that that is bad, I think it drives innovation.

Can a person do what I’m doing… a steady 3 day/ week stretch and jelq with decon every 6 weeks… and end up, after a few years with measurements like some of the biggest gainers on this forum (9x6+)?

Are there limits to techniques? Is turning to tiger traps, hanging, ads, extenders necessary or only necessary if you want to grow faster (not a concern of mine).

I want to practice and benefit from PE, but I dont want to make too much of my thought revolve around it. I like what I’m doing now and that it will express itself long term. I’d like to get a feel for what the limits are…

Does routine effectiveness decrease as gains increase?
- I understand that your dick gets “tougher” the more you do, therefore you need more force to create the similar gains as you keep growing. So yes in a way. If you kept the same exercise routine eventually you would hit a Plateau at which point more force or a different exercise will be needed to continue gaining.

Do routines and techniques NEED to get more “extreme” as your cock gets larger to continue the gains? I see some of the biggest gainers doing WAY advanced and complicated things. Not that that is bad, I think it drives innovation.
- Check out Xenolith’s thread man, he took the fast and hard route few other seem to take. It worked for him. After your newbie gains I think you have to get more “extreme”. I have been told the basic newbie routine is good for a year or so for most folks. When the gains stop, it is time for change.

Are there limits to techniques? Is turning to tiger traps, hanging, ads, extenders necessary or only necessary if you want to grow faster (not a concern of mine).
- Everyones different, my first glance at the TT made my dick shrink at least 2” out of fear. *chuckle* I think the limit would be doing just enough to get a good stretch and not enough to injure yourself. I do it three times a week and notice I am sore on my off day, just a little, but enough not to wanna yank my crank. I think that is what your looking for, however you implement it.

I tried a extender, I found it hellish at best. People report slow and little gains from them, but they ain’t my thing. I think you can get better results with less frustration…..I think there are plenty of other manual exercises that will give you a better or different stretch that will do you for a long time if you didn’t want to buy the toys. You can certainly ramp up faster as Xeno did, but if you read through his journal you quickly realize he is very intelligent and had a lot of knowledge he applied scientifically to his routine. I think most folks would end up injured or with their dick tore off if they tried to do what he did. *laughing* Somewhere in the middle lays the truth to all this and it depends mostly on you.

I want to practice and benefit from PE, but I dont want to make too much of my thought revolve around it. I like what I’m doing now and that it will express itself long term. I’d like to get a feel for what the limits are
Try a CC, cock coil. Those look better than a extender and take little thought. It is hard to describe, but I know when I hit my limit by the feel of it. Like after a good work on any part of your body. You don’t want to work your legs the day after a good work out, maybe they will be sore when you walk, but you did no harm. When they feel normal again, you do leg day again. Simpler than most believe I think.

Reading through ThoughfulGolds, Xeno’s, Titleists, 8X6 and others logs I will say it really helped me more than anything. Also research all those other manual stretches to provide different pull points, this also stepped up my game and understanding. -Best of luck.

Can a person do what I’m doing… a steady 3 day/ week stretch and jelq with decon every 6 weeks… and end up, after a few years with measurements like some of the biggest gainers on this forum (9x6+)?
- Well, stranger shit has happened, but I suspect no. I am doing what you are now without the decon. I also jump in the tube every couple weeks, just because I like it. After awhile I think you will have to use more force, you could stretch longer, harder, more often or change up to some other manual exercises for awhile. All the real gainers here I have read about (aside from xeno) seem to use weights or things other than the stretching/jelqing. Also I noticed these guys all did some experimentation to see what worked for them, what they liked and where comfortable with. I hope I am completely wrong and you stretch your way to a 10 dick.

Sorry, if a mod wants to whack this post and the last repeat paragraph of that previous one, it would be appreciated. thanks guys.

I think you have to listen to your body and find out what works for you. There will be times it is necessary to switch up your routine an apply more pressure/tension, longer time stretching, or just stretching at a different angle. I also think reconditioning breaks are good, but I haven’t found my sweet spot of when I have successfully cemented my gains, how long to take off, and then when to return to PE. PE takes discipline so it’s hard to stop then motivate yourself to be consistent again.

At the end of the day, I recommend youbdo your routine until you plateau, take a reconditioning break, then start back PE again. However, if the break is “short” (I really don’t know what the time period should be), you may have to try different exercises and some may be a little more aggressive than the ones before.

I never set out to do extreme things. I actually tried not to. And many of the things I advise people to do every day work well for the first few years of PE.

I mean I first thought xenolith was crazy…but the mathematics of the amount of force that we need to use after having had so many gains and which mechanisms we are using to trigger the next gains make sense. I mean I have gone more than a year without gaining. It wasn’t till this last year that I hit a new groove and saw progress again. And…during that time I graduated upwards quickly.

I mean you can cycle back to the beginning of my reflections log and watch. I started with a predictable and sensible routine with low pressure pumping and clamping. I amped it up a touch and held it steady. My gains fluctuated a bunch before I got the last 1/8th and hit 9” in December. Then, after decon, I applied IPR principles in the beginning of this year. Gains started happening again, less trending back and forth with the numbers. Stronger PIs. And an extreme routine with long rest periods was good for my life.

Then, currently, I am in the middle of a hanging/IPR/high stress routine that is giving me PIs I’ve never had before, because they’re so strong and I’m in the middle of a porn detox that I’m probably a good month or so clean (which hasn’t happened in my PE but one other time earlier this year) and if you take the totality of this into account…I would say, based on my experiences and observations, that after you’ve had extreme levels of gain, well outside of the norm, some extreme means to keep gaining may need to be applied. This is opinion. My opinion.

HOWEVER, there are guys who have gained big from nothing but jelqing and manuals. Saul linked one the other day. SoJelq linked another in his progress report around page 5 I want to say (my memory may be hazy here but he posts a conversation he had with a big gainer) and the fact is the extreme way is not the only way.

However, how big are you trying to go from where you are now? And in what time frame? Because when you look at the ‘biggest gainers’ many of us are just doing it because it’s a hobby and pasttime. Most goals are set before where some of us have gotten to for practicality’s sake. So…what exactly do you want from PE?

Compare to bodybuilding, when you are a beginner any 4 sets of 10 reps each is gonna make you sore and fatigued, and you’ll increase muscles a good bit.

But as you progress your exercises must increase too, in both amount and intensity, or else you won’t be able to reach microtears in the muscle cells and true muscle fatigue in order to grow. It’ll demand heavy weights and several exercises for the same group of muscle to achieve that.

I know they are not the exact same thing, but most of it applies to PE.

What I want from PE
The thing is I’m pretty content with my relationship. My girl is pretty happy with what I have and seems to relish the girth especially. I want to be a bit longer for the sake of being able to do some of the more fancy/athletic positions. I also want to be a bit thicker…well because I like having a thick dick :D I don’t have the ‘gotta build the ark before the flood’ mentality like I used to, Its more of a I wanna invest a moderate but serious quantity of attention and effort to see a return of 1” in length and 0.5” girth within a year or so. If it takes 2 years, so be it. I also want outstanding EQ. I’m a pleaser in the bedroom. I get a lot of pleasure out of HER having fun. I don’t want “a monster to make them all pay for neglecting me” lol.

My goals:
-Measure 7.5 BPEL x 6 MEG. I would not want to be any longer than 8”
-Larger flaccid…I’m quite a grower :/
-Have rock hard erections… This is going well i think
-I want to restore my foreskin to regain sensitivity and have skin mobility during sex to reduce chafing

Would this be an accurate description of what is going on:

1. Stimulus in applied
2. The body react to the stimulus. Creating more tissue and also toughening in response to stimulus
3. Gains appear, toughness ensues, gains stop
4. Deconditioning reduces toughness and ‘prepares’ the tissue for another cycle…

Can a person repeat 1-4 and hope to gain 2+ inches in length and say 0.5 + inch in girth over the span of years, or will some unknown force stop them from continuing to gains.

4. Conditioning just doesn’t reduce enough for an ad infinitum cycle.

Or can the cycle continue ad infinitum with less returns each time? Like long tail of a diminishing returns graph. The question is how diminished do the returns become?

Nil or nearly nil. It’s why I and other big gainers often but not always turn to extreme methods. Answer me this:

If you curl a 10lb weight 100 times a session, twice a day…and you get massive arms…how long do you think it’ll be before there’s no return on your 10lb weight no matter how many sessions a day you do?

Right. I agree that there are diminishing returns for stimulus. Always. But say with manuals, one could increase the intensity of their stretches and jelqs in proportion with what they need to keep growth happening…

TG, in your opinion do you think that I can achieve my goal of 7.5x6 with what I am doing? (manuals) Or do you think I should plan for some more complicated measure?

With your goals, manuals should be fine. It may take some years but you’ll get there and likely not need to go high tech or extreme workload. It strictly depends on your goals and if they change over time. Many a man has set sensible goals and then they slipped away when he hit a growth spurt. *chuckles*