Read - The Second PE Survey -- A Thunder's Place group project

Definitely add Ginko. Please.

Great work on the survey. Let me make a few suggestions as promised.

Section IV
A. Jelqing

I believe that the answer options for #4 and #5 have been reversed.

B. Manual stretching

I believe that we have to ask how long guys hold each stretch. 30sec, 45sec, 60sec, etc.

On that same subject regarding pumping, clamping and hanging I thing we need to ask how many sets they do and how long each set is instead of just looking at total time. There is a big difference in clamping one 60 minute set and 12 five minute sets.

We also do not address split routines. Jelqing and stretching 30 minutes a day in one session may not be as effective as three 10 minute sessions spread out through the day.

On a personal note regarding clamping, I always do bends and squeezes when I clamp now. I didn’t start gaining a lot of girth until I incorporated these. There is nothing in the survey that address this issue although I believe it made a huge difference in my girth gains.

I will also volunteer to be included in the pilot group, as I’m sure I’ll find a few more small issues when I take the survey rather than just skimming through it.
Once again great work, and let me know what else I can do to help out. :)

Did you have them look on the Wiki or on this thread? I haven’t read the whole Wiki entry, but I know the last time the survey was transferred there, some errors showed up in the process. (Hence my hesitation to use Wiki.)

Huh? :confused: Or was this from the Wiki version?

Yes, thanks for all these. We’ll have to think carefully about which parts to add to the survey. The tricky thing, in incorporating any question, is seeing how it might fit into data analysis. Guys’ routines are varied enough over time that it’s already difficult asking them to report an “average” number of minutes per day performing a particular exercise; asking for “average” sets and so forth may be even harder. It depends how much pay-off we expect, in terms of actual effects on PE success. We will definitely incorporate at least some of the suggestions you made here. Thank you, Peter!

You guys are aware of the history and revert functions on the wiki correct? You can compare previous versions and see who added what, where and when.

Okay, I just went to the Wiki page, and that’s where the error Peter referred to occurs.

Remek, could you PM the guys who you asked to look at it and direct them to this thread’s survey version instead? We could avoid any focus on transcription errors if we have them look at the one in here. Thanks!!

I fixed the error that Peter pointed out.

Have any changes been (intentionally) made since my last revision here, though? That’s the only reason I suggested a redirect to the last draft in this thread. If Remek made additional changes on purpose in the Wiki, then stick with that version.

I didn’t look PG. I just went after the error, did a cut and paste to swap the answer to the correct questions. (I hope:) ) Oh, and italicized one Programmer note that had been missed in that same area of the survey.

I would attempt to figure that out by looking at the time codes, but UDC or whatever the fuck it is would require me to figure out the difference. :) Best to wait for remek I think.

That wiki is a harder bugger to figure out though, compared to the forum. It does have it’s good points over the forum.

It occurred to me that we will not be able to determine anything about rest days with the survey as it is now.

The only thing we will know is how many days a week they do PE, but not how much rest they take in between. Doing PE Monday-Thursday with 3 days in a row off, is a big difference from doing PE Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. Maybe we need a day to heal or maybe we don’t. Right now we have no way of finding out.

Another good point. The problem, again, is in how this would be integrated into the analysis stage — and, in this case, how we would limit the choices available in a way that would put people into meaningful groups (or along a meaningful continuum).

Keep the ideas coming…

My last suggestion is easy to incorporate.

1 on 1 off

2 on 1 off

3 on 1 off

5 on 2 off

7 on 0 off

Other_____

Based on reading the forums for more than 2 years I think I’m accurate in saying that 95% of
all guys on this forum fit in the first 5 options.

12 pages and I’m just arriving. If you’re still looking for feedback, I have a bit. Please forgive me if the points I mention have already been hashed out.

My first point is probably obvious. It is critical that responses for any given individual are somehow tagged as belonging to that individual, so that correlations among different responses for individuals can be drawn. This doesn’t necessarily mean storing user names, but some key must be applied to uniquely identify the respondent for each answer.

Section I:

1. I suggest renaming “erection quality” to “erection hardness.” That will avoid the need for explaining the difference between quality and angle, or other subjective factors. We may want to define “hardness” as rigidity and firmness to the touch.

2. Question 8 may be difficult to answer for guys who PE every day. It may be impossible to know whether they’re experiencing permanent flaccid gains or post workout pumps. I suppose we could try to correlate this with workout frequency to help judge the reliability of this answer.

3. Perhaps we could add a subjective question or two: How would you rate your overall satisfaction with your penis before PE? After PE? Answers could range from 1 (extremely unsatisfied) to 5 (extremely satisfied). How would you rate your penis’s appearance before and after? How would you rate yourself as a lover before/after?

Section II

I really think this section needs work. The problem is that many guys use very different forms of PE throughout their PE careers. The techniques they choose are strongly affected by their success or failure using previous techniques. For example, I gained 0.5” BPEL my first 3 months doing manual only for minutes (maybe 1 hour, max) 5 days a week. Then my gains stopped, so I switched to hanging. I hanged 6 months for hours a day and gained nothing. See the problem? You can’t aggregate this data and expect to arrive at anything intelligible.

I suggest breaking up PE efforts into at least two categories: newbie exercises and senior exercises, where newbie exercises are defined as those forming a person’s first PE routine. Most experienced PE’ers will tell you that newbie gains are a whole different kind of thing than gains occurring later. I think the survey should reflect that, or at least should collect the right kind of data so that that statement can be tested.

You may in fact want to provide different categories for each new round of PE effort. Questions could go like this: What was your first routine? How long did you do it? What was your progress? What was your second routine? How long did you do it? WHat was your progress, etc. Only then can we separate the newbie effect (assuming there is one) from the effects of the routines.