Originally posted by r0ad_h0gg
Is not sexual pleasure a basic human function that will help an individual to have normal hormonal balances such as a good testosterone count?
Uh, no. Sexual pleasure does not influence testosterone levels. “Pleasure” is a mental or emotional state. There’s no connection with testosterone production.
When this sexual sensing ability is altered/amputated (to an extreme in some unfortunate cases), how is one able to attain sexual satisfaction?
I’m not going to defend circumcision, but there are hundreds of thousands of men in the U.S. alone who seem to do quite well in the sexual pleasure/sensing department without their foreskins. I’ve said before that I agree with you in that I believe many of these men would have even better sex lives if they restored their foreskins. You don’t have to convince me about the benefits.
westla, I don't believe that you are aware of the changes that an infant circumcision can make in the resulting man's life and well being. Even though my circumcision left me with my testicles, I swear I felt like I was castrated until after I did foreskin restoration. Sex prior to doing foreskin restoration didn't give me any pleasure at all. It was mainly just frustrating because my penis didn't work. Why did my penis start to work well after I did foreskin restoration? There's no doubt in my mind that my circumcision caused me to have ED since puberty or prior. It wouldn't make sense for the medical industry or doctors to acknowledge something like this because of potential legal liabilities.
I’d say you’re an extreme case. It’s not that difficult for the majority of circumcised men to have sex and enjoy it. I’ve read the anti-circumcision papers that advocate the application of some legal responsibility to the physicians who perform infant circumcision. In some cases, where the cause and effect are clear, cases have been won. But you’re trying to make circumcision the culprit in a wide variety of conditions that have no clear connection to that surgery. I’m just trying to help you understand why you’re wasting your time in that quest.
Originally posted by bigblackstick
It's as simple as this….how can you surgically remove a large part of a normal healthy penis at birth, and expect it to work/function optimally?
You can’t. The best you can do is to work with what you have or try to restore it to as good a condition as you can. If you talk about sexual functioning, intercourse, a healthy glans, pleasure from the frenulum, etc., then I agree with you completely. However, if you try to say that removing the foreskin makes the testicles shrink, causes ED, changes your testosterone level, or any of the other things r0ad_h0gg has tried to connect with circumcision, then I wholeheartedly disagree.
If I rip off your eyelid, sooner or later your eye will suffer…
Exposing the glans reduces its ability to function the way it was intended, but does not destroy it which is what would happen to an eye without an eyelid. I know both the lid and the foreskin provide a protective cover, but the removal of one is not equivalent to the removal of the other.
The human body is a highly sophisticated self-contained piece of machinery. All of the parts contained within are necessary or they would not be there in the first place. You can rest assured if foreskin has survived Darwin and nature this long, it's very necessary.
I’m anti-circumcision. You’re preaching to the choir.
On the contrary, a female's sex/reproductive organ is internal…protected. A man's (unless circ'ed) is too also internal. When one is circumcised, a previously internal organ, is made external. Most other mammals penises' are also internal, and protected. We as humans are no different and are mammals.
I agree.
You can't expect it to work the same when you chop off the protective covering.
True, if you’re talking about sexual functions and not testicle temperature or penis size.
Obviously, vascularity is an individual thing, but my penis is quite vascular. I have veins running all through out my penis. They all stop at my circ scar. Look at a picture of an uncut penis. The veins run all throughout the penis past the glans to the end of the foreskin.
Mine looks the same. You are correct.
Circumcision exposes the glans causing keratonization. This will lead to a hardened glans, leading to a decrease in sensitivity/harder to become aroused. etc.
In some men.
Circumcision also removes the frenulum (the male g-spot) from the penis.
True.
Clearly it causes ED.
No. Erectile dysfunction is an inability to attain erection. The inability to have pleasurable sexual feelings, from a moist glans or from the frenulum, is not ED.
Let's start chopping off the clitoris or even the hood of the clitoris at birth and see what the ensuing results would be….probably not good.
Not good. I agree.
Further how many shafts are destroyed and made crooked due to tight shaft skin after being circumcised?? Clearly you know when there is scar tissue it pulls the surrounding normal skin in tighter and with more force, what kind of damage does that do? I can even reduce it and put it in layman's terms for you: cut any other piece of skin/part/protective covering off of your body, the resulting damage clearly won't be good.
I’m sure there are some penises with curves caused by circumcision. That doesn’t mean everyone who is circ’d will have a deformity (other than the circ scar). You’re still preaching to the choir. I’m only disagreeing with the outrageous connections Mr. h0gg is trying to make, not with the barbaric practice of circumcision itself.
…science is an ever rapid evolving thing. While science has not proved these things or may never will you can try to use your own brain and not wait for someone else to tell you what is dark and what is light.
Thinking outside the box is what they call it, I believe. That’s a good thing. But you have to first have an understanding of what is already known before you can start making those not-so-obvious connections. r0ad_h0gg hasn’t done his homework and neither have you. He’s trying to make connections that just won’t work, no matter how “outside the box” he thinks. You can’t just start saying things and expect people to believe them unless you give some rational explanation or connection. Saying something like “the glans is the thermostat of the testicles” is ludicrous. Where’s the proof besides the experience of one person who is attempting to make his circumcision the cause of all his penis problems?
Isn't ED a sexual problem?? Call me crazy, but the only time I need an Erection is for sex….
It is a sexual problem, but it is not caused by having your foreskin removed. Please find one web site that says circumcision is the cause of erectile dysfunction. Just one. Oh, and penis enlargement and anti-circumcision web sites don’t count. Find an erectile dysfunction web site that lists causes of ED. Show me one that includes circumcision in the list.
Define normal penile function??? Normal to me is the way one was born before their foreskin was removed surgically.
Normal penile function includes the ability to become erect, have intercourse, and ejaculate semen. Millions of men who have had a circumcision can do that.
p.s. The same science and doctors and medical journals you put all your stock in, are the same ones that are telling you enlargement is not possible without surgery. Food for thought.
I agree. They should be doing studies and helping men with feelings of inadequacy avoid penile lengthening surgery or wasting money on pills that don’t work. That does not mean that everything else in science and medicine is false.
WestLA, don't despair… I'm not trying to change your mind…I could care less.
Nor I yours. You and r0ad_h0gg will continue to believe what you want to. My task here is to prevent your wild ideas from becoming “fact” and getting perpetuated by those with less of an understanding of the workings of male genitals in general and of circumcision in particular.
But I must offer my congratulations on ruining another good thread here with your “science.” Have a good one. That is all.
I’ll not be baited into an argument by a personal attack. Nor will I be dismissed. Let’s continue.
