structure of the tunica and PE

I came across the following video from a scientist who studied the structure of the penis:

At around the 8:30 minute mark, she talks about how the tunica is made up of layers of parallel collagen fibers that are at 90 degrees to each other (axial along the shaft, and radial around the circumference), which give the penis it’s stiff shape resistant to bending.

This made me think about how one would best go about enlarging this type of tissue. I would like to open this up for discussion, as I believe that there lie results.

Intuitively, to me it seems that in order to effectively stretch the tissue, you need to stretch in both directions of the fibers, meaning:

Stretching along the axial as well as the radial direction.

It seems that the best way then to achieve gains is to both stretch and jelq/pump/clamp. Not either or.

I have modified my routine to incorporate flacid stretching, jelqing, followed by manual squeezes/clamps.

What do you guys think?

Sounds like a good plan.

There is a thread titled “pre stretching the tunica for girth gains.” Or something like that. Similar idea though I think it goes into bundled stretches, which intimidate me.

Me too.

My guiding principle in PE is that you should use the minimum intensity that will result in gains in order to minimize the risk of injury, as well as conditioning.

I took a many year break from PE, and got back into it about 3 months ago, just a light routine (as described earlier)during my morning shower.
Stretch, jelq, squeezes.

About a month ago my fiancé commented that my penis felt bigger and looked bigger while she was giving me head, and when she had her hand wrapped around the base, it did indeed look bigger.
As a result of that, I immediately took a deconditioning break in order to avoid having my penis become conditioned to the intensity I was using, and having to increase intensity.

Today I started back up.

Bundled stretch.

I don’t have any experience with the bundled stretch, but from an analytical point of view, I don’t think it’s the optimal one. By twisting the penis and pulling, you’re basically inducing a diagonal force to either layer of the collagen fibers, not in line with either of their structures.

That means that for a specific force applied, you are getting less than half of it in either direction. Not very efficient.

Increasing the force applied to compensate would increase the risk of injury.

Yes they are more effective at hitting tunica than normal stretches

Try them. Increasing the force increases the risk of injury, which is why you don’t twist the fuck out of your dick until such time as you know how much force you need to see growth.

The first time I did bundled stretches my E.Q. Shot up and I knew I was onto something.

I do bundled stretches throughout the day when I have a moment and my flaccid is fuller. After 2 months I can see my girth filling out the shaft, where before I had a baseball bat mid girth.

A win I would say.

That is definitely a win. I would like to avoid the baseball bat effect, and base girth is important for providing vaginal stimulation.

I’m just very cautious and risk-averse. I have my fiance’s blessing to do PE so long as it improves our sex life. I know I would lose her support for me PEing if it prevents me from performing in the bedroom.

Still, I’ll have to cautiously try it if it helps with base girth.

My base girth has accumulated from my length routines over time, as has my chubby mid-girth.

I am a man in my late 50s with a wife who has endured the rigours of child birth, and girth is a welcome to us both, wherever it occurs.

My recent discovery regarding bundled stretches has allowed me to carefully “fill in” between mid girth and base to create a uniform girth increase to better include my wife in my sexual enterprise.

My routine is 30 second bundled stretches twice each time I urinate or change clothes throughout the day. I can’t tell you how much torque is applied to the shaft, but certainly not enough to do anything other than slightly redden the tissue of my unit.

It’s been two months now and I’m seeing positive indicators, including improved E.Q. And noticably more lower shaft growth.

This is the only P.E. I’m doing at present so it’s a good Guage of how effective my approach will be.

I totally agree and that is why people see results with the Newbie routine because it includes both girth and length work. I think the key to continued gains, which I haven’t found my sweet spot, is increased intensity over time, cement the gains, then decondition. Then the question is, how long should you decondition and at what intensity should you start back at to begin gaining again?

I started experimenting with bundle stretches as well, but haven’t yet determined if they are good for length or girth. I have read several people attentive bundle stretches to girth gains, but I have also read on the forum guys gaining length. I would assume it’s what you do after bundle stretches that determine if more you your gains will come in the form of girth or length.

I agree with everything except increases intensity over time.

I believe there is a hard limit to intensity beyond which you only risk injury without increases results.
Tissues have tensile limits and I believe we only need to push just beyond that limit so that there is expansion and deformation. Then give the body time to heal, then repeat.
As soon as you see results, stop completely in order to decondition. I don’t know how long for either, except to say that for me at least a couple of weeks.

This is definitely a slow and steady approach where the priority is minimizing risk of injury.

Agreed. I don’t think intensity is the correct word. I think to continue gains you have to increase time, weight, and/or the number of repetitions. We definitely don’t want any injuries.

Regarding stopping as soon as you see gains, I’m not sure I agree. I have seen gains and stopped and reverted back to my pre-gain length. Then, even after a deconditioning break, I can’t get those gains back.

So far, I have noticed from personal experience I usually start to see gains 4 to 6 weeks into a routine that increases time, weight, and or repetitions as well as includes more length, but also girth exercises. My gains are cemented after about 3 months of PE on the same routine.

Like I said before though, I am not sure how long a deconditioning break should be. I do know a couple weeks doesn’t work for me.

I’m curious to know, after your decon break do you begin your routine where you left off? Do you continue with the same exercises or mix it up? To induce gains, do you increase time, weight, and/or reputations over time? Thanks!

I started back up where I left off: 5-10 min manual stretches first, followed by 5 min jelqs, and finished off with 3-4 30sec erect manual squeezes.
The first couple of sessions were a little lighter with less reps, but after that I went back to my normal routine.
I do all this in the shower in the morning since that’s the only available time I have and for my physiology, I figured out that the risk of injury drastically increases if I don’t have sustained heat applied throughout the workout. The shower is perfect for that since I don’t have a bath tub.