Everyone has made some great points in this thread (especially Wad and ModestoMan).
I enjoy this topic: Why aren’t more guys reporting big gains? Wadzilla, you particularly hit the nail on the head, in my opinion, when you made this statement:
Originally Posted by wad
As we progress, not only do gains become tougher, but our desire also flags because of the very gains that we’ve made; and further gains become exponentially tougher. This is a very real factor - it starkly happened to me also
I also agree with Sunshine here:
Originally Posted by sunshinekid
There have been some really big gainers here over the years, those gains are documented. Stillwantmore had a huge flaccid (and yes, I knew him too), how much bigger that got erect is hard to say. I think alot of our pioneers left because they got sick and tired of having to defend every word that came out of their mouths to the “non-believers” of the board. And it wasn’t that the “non-believers” didn’t think PE would work, they didn’t believe what our gainers were saying.
Think about how you would feel if you had to defend every little thing you said here.
Exactly. I’ve talked to a few men who don’t openly discuss their gains because they don’t have the time, nor the desire, to sit there and argue with half the forum. I don’t blame them. In most cases, there’s no way of proving it. Why? Because the fact is, most guys don’t take good pre-PE pictures. For most men, there’s really no reason to. They already have so much to worry about (i.e. how to PE, what to do, not breaking their cock, etc); taking a standard BP measurement pic is really the last thing on most beginner’s minds.
Also, it’s common belief that the “easy gainers” would post just as much, or more than, the non-easy gainers. IMO, there’s no logic in this and it’s really the other way around. Think about why most people go to a forum. Not just this forum, but any forum. It’s for help. That’s always been my case. I’m lost, confused, and stuck… So where can I find some help? Someone on a forum might have some answers. And when it comes to PE, who needs the most help:
1) Beginners who are unwilling to look up the necessary PE info themselves
2) Guys who aren’t gaining
3) Guys who injured themselves
Let’s take a look at these three groups, and why they don’t constitute the average of all men who PE.
1) Beginners who are unwilling to look up the necessary PE info themselves
Clearly laziness is lacking here. If they were motivated, or dedicated, they would do a simple search and find everything they need. The simple fact they are asking the question “How do I Jelq” shows that they most likely don’t have what it takes to make it to the 2” mark.
2) Guys who aren't gaining
We can probably all agree that there are 4 different types of gainers:
Easy gainers for both L X G
Easy gainers for just length, but hard gainers for girth
Easy gainers for just girth, but hard gainers for length
Hard Gainers for both L X G
Put yourself in the shoes of a new guy who is a hard gainer. You come onto the forum. You read about people gaining big. You think to yourself, oh, I can gain big too. Then you don’t. What’s the first thing you do? You assume, sometimes rightfully, something is wrong. So you sign up to the forum to start asking questions. In the case of some of us (ModestoMan, etc), this is where I think we get hooked. We try to find out why were not gaining like we should, and over a course of time, our questions turn into doubts.
Then put yourself in the shoes of an easy gainer. You’re gaining. What’s there to post about? Unless you want to spread the good word, to help other men, or to get into the PE business, there’s really no reason to stick around. This is, without a doubt, a choice some men make. Why would they not post on the forum? My guess is time. They’re already spending a lot of time PEing, they might not have the time, nor the desire, to type. Hell, some men hate typing. So they spend their time doing other things than post on a PE forum.
3) Guys who injured themselves
The injury forum. Here, in my opinion, is where we will find the best representation of the entire PE community. Why? Because easy gainers and hard gainers alike can injure themselves. And they both will need help if it does occur. When reading through lots of injury threads, I recall a few times reading about guys who made good gains but weren’t necessarily big posters. Similarly, I’ve remember reading accounts of a few guys who didn’t post much at all, but signed online to report they hit their goal. My guess is that some guys don’t even sign online to do that.
As an ending note, my views might be subject to bias, as I’ve made extra efforts to seek out guys who’ve made good gains.