The importance of the FLACCID STATE as a guide in productive PE

Excellent thread, my struggle is always not to PE. That feeling of I could have done a little more, then it turtles. Gotta lot to learn

I can’t understand why there are people claiming that?

How could a penis possibly feel the difference between for example hanging, stretching or extending? The only thing that might, and I say MIGHT be different is pumping because I belief that exercise is not like the others. But that is just a feeling I have, not a fact.

Thank you.
Well its never too late… it took me 2,5 years to start believing the things that respectable members in here have descovered decades ago LoL.
The worst advice someone can give to a person that is training hard and not gaining is “Train moreee!”
Unfortunately this way of thinking haven t change much in forums.

Good post. My issue after a few years I have learned strongly has to do with a tight and unbalanced pelvic floor.

Considering I have recently found this out, I’m not too sure how much stimulus my unit can handle. For all I know when I thought I was fatigued it could have been my PF acting up. So just now trying to dial some things in. I think a lot of guys have PI issues and instantly relate it to their unit or their training when really, their issue may lie hidden within the pelvic floor.

I agree on your observation on the PF over tension issue…
I had created an over tensed PF 4-5 times in my PE carrier…but I managed to make it balanced again with Rks and PF stretching…
But the PF is the one issue… the other one is the contraction state that the dick gets from over abuse.( it tries to protect it self from ripping apart)

One thing I can help you and maybe other members about what to avoid in order NOT to over tense the PF through PE is that we should NEVER stretch the dick in the direction of the TUG.
My LOT is at 6 , my Tug is at 12. When ever I am stretching in the 12 ocklock direction Iks are happening.. and I feel my PF sucked in exactly like when we are holding a kegel.
All of the times I over tensed my PF was when my program included 12 ocklock stretching ( either with extender either by manuals).
The reason of this is because when you stretch in the TUG directions its exactly like HOLDING A KEGEL…. now imagine the program to have like 2-3h of extending in this direction or hight intensity manual stretching in this direction….
After some days-weeks of doing it my PF was fucked up !
On the contrary when I am stretching in the LOT directions my PF remains very well balanced…very calm.

Yes I was more referring to pumping, because that seems to be the exercise that gives the “least permanent” gains. Although of course there are many outliers, and everyone’s dick is different, so who knows. Some people go cold turkey and never lose a mm, and some lose it all very quickly. Also with regards to the length exercises, maybe stretching the ligaments vs stretching the tunica could cause a difference in the permanence of gains, but I am very not qualified to speak to that.

Pumping will give you temporary and long term gains as well. But mostly in the girt department. That depends most of witch cylinder you choose. If you pack most part of it you are more likely to gain length.

But girt is harder to gain compare to length.

Again this is completely up to the individual… why? Because for 1 more time every dick is responding different to any exercise.
In my case pumping 3 mins in just 3hg is creating a dick that is like a baby stiff flaccid and EQ drop for like 2 days…
Some people are gaining ONLY length from pumping… some ONLY girth… some BOTH and some( the majority) NOTHING.
Also in my case… I am a fast and big girth gainer but a hard and slow length gainer…So there is also no rule that length is easier and girth is harder.
So lets don t make rules simply because in PE there are NO rules.

The only rule that is the same for every one is the point of this thread … That in order for everyone to gain , the dick has to be big and soft in the flaccid state simply because when we are overtraining it and it becomes small and stiff… there can t be any gains.

I was pumping for years and hanging for year with no results I stopped for several year and here is why.
For the reasons you said above when I hanged and trained my penis it would just turtle up. After years of saying wtf is going on with my dick it was from training.
Since I totally stopped BOOM what you said above HUGE and SOFT.

I no longer train my penis I don’t believe it does a darn thing. If you wanna know why I check these forms I’m waiting for that one person or thread to tell me about a surgery or something along those line with science that hey look at this.

i am glad you understood the reasons of no growth…
So now you are able to accomplish gains because you know what to avoid… and this is BIG intensities and BIG volume.
Just do an experiment…
Stretch manually your dick with an intensity that is just keeping the MFSL and NOT pulling more.
Do 1m in all 5 directions X 2
Then do 5 mins of very slow and light intensity jelqing.
Do what I said 2on/1off and every 2nd week instead of 1off take 2 off.
When you complete 6 weeks of this dont measure…. just take 1 week off and repeat the cycle for 6 more weeks and then measure. ( total 13 weeks ).
I bet you will have gained…

Always warm up at least 10 mins before the routine.

One important note please…

Tell me at which stretching direction is your LOT

Heres an idea.

A hard/shrunken flaccid state is the cause not the effect of overtraining. That is to say, if you overcame the body’s instinct to retract and reduce blood flow using cialis (or other vasodilator) then you can continue training without hitting this wall?

NO.

And there is also no point in training more.It doesn t give any advantage.

The body has its own pace and you can t speed it up… you can only slow it down.

This big gaining success story is a must to read:

https://www.peg ym.com/forums/s … inner-read.html

One member in the PE GYM forum replicated the method abobe and he had almost the same gains

https://www.peg ym.com/forums/p … pe-journal.html

It really hasn’t been my experience that turtling stops gains. I would agree with Shinto that it’s probably the cause, not the effect. As long as you’re not turtling by the time you start your next session, I don’t think it’s a problem.

Regarding your success story thread, I’ve also had great success with 40-60 minutes jelquing. I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the most important part of his routine.