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The importance of the FLACCID STATE as a guide in productive PE

The importance of the FLACCID STATE as a guide in productive PE

The importance of the FLACCID STATE as a guide in productive PE

After almost 2,5 years of consistent PE training I have always witnessed the same thing over and over … so it’s so proven so many times that it has became a RULE.

The RULE is this:
The periods that my flaccid state is HUGE and SOFT and almost UNABLE TO TURTLE (From correct training) are the periods that I am gaining LENGTH and GIRTH rapidly.
The periods that my flaccid state is SMALL and STIFF and it s TURTLING EASY(From OVERTRAINING) are the periods that I am NOT gaining anything in length and girth and if I continue training in this state … I am also losing gains.

An other important thing is that…
When my flaccid dick is in this HUGE and SOFT state, all the good Pis are present.
High libido, spontaneous erections through the day, increadible night and morning wood and super EQ.
When my flaccid is in the SMALL and STIFF state all of the Pis are DOWN.

The REST DAYS are of high importance because they are making sure that the dick will not get smaller and stiffer … in other words in these rest days the dick is resting and decompressing and is becoming big and soft again.

My 2 cents on the LESS is MORE guys in here that are using MORE is MORE approaches and don t grow.

I d like to add some things…
With any kind of PE training ( even with extending) I should never go for more than 3 days in a row… after the 3d day I have to throw a REST day in order to keep this HUGE and SOFT flaccid state.
So my gaining frequency is either 2on/1off or 3on/1off 2on/1off(to complete 1 week).
And after lets say 2-3 weeks on these frequencies I am throwing a 2 consecultive days of rest and this is where the gains are boosting.

There is a logical explanation of all this.

When we are abusing our dick by PE training , we are triggering the protective mechanism of it .( we have all witnessed it)
This mechanism is resulting in a stiff flaccid that is shorter and slimmer and a lot harder to stretch.
Staying under the radar of this mechanism is teh key to growth.
Again… I am not posting anything new here… all of my observations are matching 100% the SparkyX observations… BUT I am just posting these things in order to REMIND to everybody in here that this thing is real.

For every person overtraining is completely different…
For example a person can get overtrained with 1h of manual stretching and an other one can get overtrained by only 10 mins of manual stratching.
It doesn t matter…. what matters is that in order to have continious gains teh person has to stay under the radar of this protective mechanism that is killing every effort of gaining.

The tunica and smooth muscle and tissues are alive… they are not like a dead rubber so we have limitations of how much we can train it in order to have a productive PE journey.

An other imporatnt note that I was always skipping is that after 6 to 8 weeks of PE training we have to take 1 week off in order to have continious gains.
You see after 2,5 years I can clearly see now the signs.
I wish I knew all these when I started….
Well I guess its never too late.

Funny, I made a similar thread about my findings just a few days ago on another forum.

I have not made any gains for nearly 2 years (despite consistent effort, decon breaks etc) and deduced that it’s impossible to make gains if you have hard flaccid.

Now I’m working hard to get rid of it, so that I can start making gains.

Yes some dicks have high protective mechanism response and this is why they don t grow…

If you are in this caregoty then only the less is more can work.

An other reason of creating a hard flaccid is the PF tension…

If you have this too… then you have to add Rks and PF stretching in your every day life.

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
I d like to add some things…
With any kind of PE training ( even with extending) I should never go for more than 3 days in a row… after the 3d day I have to throw a REST day in order to keep this HUGE and SOFT flaccid state.
So my gaining frequency is either 2on/1off or 3on/1off 2on/1off(to complete 1 week).
And after lets say 2-3 weeks on these frequencies I am throwing a 2 consecultive days of rest and this is where the gains are boosting.

There is a logical explanation of all this.

When we are abusing our dick by PE training , we are triggering the protective mechanism of it .( we have all witnessed it)
This mechanism is resulting in a stiff flaccid that is shorter and slimmer and a lot harder to stretch.
Staying under the radar of this mechanism is teh key to growth.
Again… I am not posting anything new here… all of my observations are matching 100% the SparkyX observations… BUT I am just posting these things in order to REMIND to everybody in here that this thing is real.

For every person overtraining is completely different…
For example a person can get overtrained with 1h of manual stretching and an other one can get overtrained by only 10 mins of manual stratching.
It doesn t matter…. what matters is that in order to have continious gains teh person has to stay under the radar of this protective mechanism that is killing every effort of gaining.

The tunica and smooth muscle and tissues are alive… they are not like a dead rubber so we have limitations of how much we can train it in order to have a productive PE journey.

An other imporatnt note that I was always skipping is that after 6 to 8 weeks of PE training we have to take 1 week off in order to have continious gains.
You see after 2,5 years I can clearly see now the signs.
I wish I knew all these when I started….
Well I guess its never too late.


This was a really good post. Maybe one of the best i read so far and I have read thousands.
This is spot on and I know this but still have a hard time keeping my hands of my dick and taking rest days. When you have a “more is more” mentality and life have learn you that the harder you work the better the result will be then it’s hard to take rest days and time of. Even when you know that it’s the right thing to do.


190416 Bpel 16,5 Bpfsl 16,5 Meg 14,2 Beg 15,0

210312 Bpel 19 Bpfsl 19,6 Meg 14,5 Beg 15,3

___Gain Bpel +2,5 Bpfsl +3,1 Meg +0,3 Beg +0,3

thank you for the kind words.

I agree…. because I am also a hard worker in everything I like…like body building.

BUT when you see that working harder creates zero growth and a sick dick… and when you are working less it creates gains and a super healthy dick… then the mentality is changing and you do NOT want to touch your dick on the rest days…

And this not touching when it is translated with an elephant flaccid the next day… then you are craving for the rest days LoL

Now let me tell you one more conclusion of mine…
No one knows the real mechanism of growth…
They all speak about “micro tears” and “plastic deformation”. But of course these are just speculations.

MY OPINION ( and I hold a very strong stance on this) is that non of these are happening.
IF the micro tears theory( from extending) were a real deal … then when the extender guys are stopping the extending cold turkey… they would NOT lose a single mm of gain simply because by this theory they would have added MORE MEAT ON THEIR DICKS.and meat doesn t go away.. BUT what is really happening?? They are losing gains.
IF the plastic deformation theory ( from hanging or manuals) was real…. then when they are stopping cold turkey they would NOT lose a single mm because by this theory they would have added MORE MEAT ON THEIR DICKS , and meat deasn t go away…. BUT what is really happening?? They are losing gains.
And why so many people don t gain with extenders? They are busting their dicks with 8-12h/pay and they are not gaining shit…
It is supposed that the more time under tension the more supposed micro tears will happen.
BUT nooooo… The people with 3-4h of extending they are having bigger gains. ( don t believe me? Read all posts in both forums of extending guys and you will see…. I have read then all).
Now why is this happening??? because once again they are falling into the OVERTRAINING ZONE that is making zero gains.

Now listen to my theory of what is the real mechanism of dick growth.

The dick is like a ballon… The more stretchier it gets in length the more it can expand in length(length gains) when it is filled with blood(erection).
The more stretchier it gets in girth ( jelqing-sqeezing0clamping) the more it can exand it girth(girth gains).

So in simple words what we are doing with PE is that we are creating a STRETCHER dick and this STRETCHIER state is relulting in a longer and thicker dick because the blood that is entering while in erection it can expand more the STRETCHIER dick parts.

This is why when we stop cold turkey we are losing size… because by nature the body wants to becoem as it was originaly… BUT by doing more PE we are making some of this stretchier state more permanent.

If the microtears and plastic defo were accurate then there would not be a NON GAINER dick.

All the KEY in PE is to create a stretchier dick in both length and walls in order to be able to expand easier and more.
This is why staying under the radar of the stiffness protective mechanism is so vital… because IF as we are trying to make it stretchier , it becomes stiffer(from overtraining… then there is no point so there is no growth.

An other important observation that proves that there are no micro tears and no plastic defo and that teh only thing that is happening is just a STRETCHIER dick is that sooooo many people have gained like 1-2 inches in length and girth by just doing 5 mins of light manual stretching and 10 mins of jelqing 2on/1off…
Well these intensities and volumes would not be able to create any microtears or plastic defo…. BUT the gains are there.

That s my conclusion after all I have read in forums (gaining and non gaining cases and how they were achieved) and until a REAL PE study will take place in the furure… I am not chaning my mind.

An other important note is that when we are gaining a big amount of MFSL then the EL is happening !!!!! WHYY??? simply because the dick has become so much stretchier in the flaccid state… that when it is filled with blood it can exapand more and this is why it is translated in the EL.
And WHY when we are going once again in the overtraining zone we are losing MFSL and we are imediately losing EL gain too??? Simply because we LOST this flaccid STRETCHIER state… and its completely logical that the dick is not able anymore to expand more in the EL
So if the micro tears and plastic defo were real… this loss of EL size because of less stretchier dick would NOT happen… simply because the EL gain would be PERMANENT because Micro tears and plastic defo would mean that we put MORE MEAT on our dicks…
There is no more meat adding…. its just more stretchy state that can expand more in the EL.

that was my 2 cents of how growth occurs .

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art

thank you for the kind words.

I agree…. because I am also a hard worker in everything I like…like body building.

BUT when you see that working harder creates zero growth and a sick dick… and when you are working less it creates gains and a super healthy dick… then the mentality is changing and you do NOT want to touch your dick on the rest days…

And this not touching when it is translated with an elephant flaccid the next day… then you are craving for the rest days LoL

To reach that state will be one of the most important things for me after my summer deacon.

And yes, one week in on that deacon I’m having a hard time not doing any PE LoL


190416 Bpel 16,5 Bpfsl 16,5 Meg 14,2 Beg 15,0

210312 Bpel 19 Bpfsl 19,6 Meg 14,5 Beg 15,3

___Gain Bpel +2,5 Bpfsl +3,1 Meg +0,3 Beg +0,3

I read it and I like the logical way you see on this. My thoughts on this is much the same. I think length gains comes from several different reasons.

- The ligaments inside are pulled out a little bit from your body. I have noticed that my hair grows a little further out on my dick. At least I think it does. Didn’t measure before I started PE.

- I’m 50 and think that some of my rapid newbie gains came from restoring some lost gains due to age. Not much but maybe 5 mm.

- Like you wrote, most length gains probably come from a more stretchy tissues in the penis. I guess that’s why my flaccid is bigger and my BPFSL gain is much better than BPEL.

- Without knowing and just guessing I think it might be some changes of the tissue. Growing more cells, plastic deformation…..I don’t now. There are some fancy words out there and whatever the name I think there can be something going on in the tissue. But I think that it’s a very slow process that goes even slower after years of PE.


190416 Bpel 16,5 Bpfsl 16,5 Meg 14,2 Beg 15,0

210312 Bpel 19 Bpfsl 19,6 Meg 14,5 Beg 15,3

___Gain Bpel +2,5 Bpfsl +3,1 Meg +0,3 Beg +0,3

I don t think ligaments gains are the real deal…
Take example the members that did ligaments surgery and they were adviced afterwards to hang weights in order to keep the gains…
Almost all of them lost cases… they returned in their original size.
I remember one of these cases here in this forum recently.
So imagine trying to lengthen the ligaments without sergury… lost case X 2.

I also have my hairs lower since I started PE… its also a skin growing matter.

No gainer knows from where the gains came from.

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
The importance of the FLACCID STATE as a guide in productive PE

An other important thing is that…
When my flaccid dick is in this HUGE and SOFT state, all the good Pis are present.
High libido, spontaneous erections through the day, increadible night and morning wood and super EQ.
When my flaccid is in the SMALL and STIFF state all of the Pis are DOWN.

My 2 cents on the LESS is MORE guys in here that are using MORE is MORE approaches and don t grow.

I have pretty much found the same thing. The longer (time wise) you can keep your dick big and soft the better! My approach lately has been to use low tension cock rings and a sock to keep it nice and warm all the time. No underwear and loose fitting shorts. The smiles and flirting you get with a big soft dick is encouraging as well :)


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The flaccid has to be big and soft naturally.

This is the indication that you are on the gaining zone because the training you do is not creating a stiffer dick that is counter the gains.

Having a cock ring on is only blinding the natural flaccid size.

How does this theory account for the fact that certain exercises seem to cause gains that are more permanent than gains from other exercises?

The how much permanent the gains are is completely up to the dick genetics.
Other dicks are going back in their original size fast , others slower other almost none.

There is no proof that some exercises create permanent gains and others are not.
For example jelqing is supposed to give permanent girth gains opposed to the temporary girth gains of pumping BUT in my case of almost 1 inch girth gain from jelqing its completely temporary… its a use it or lose it matter.
Yet you read cases that gained girth from pumping and it was permanent….

So its not about the exersice but about the dick genetics.

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