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The importance of the FLACCID STATE as a guide in productive PE

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art

The time under tension is the biggest fallacy of PE.

In your opinion. Data and personal experience from many users prove otherwise.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.5” BPEL; 7” NBPEL; 8.25” BPFSL; 6.25” - 6.5” MEG w/ c-ring.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art

Data from many users including myself proves that time under tension is counter productive and we gained with brief pe sessions.

Interesting in that of the vast number of posts I’ve read here that you are the only one espousing your theory. In fact the manufacturers also advertise that time and tension is the way achieve growth.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.5” BPEL; 7” NBPEL; 8.25” BPFSL; 6.25” - 6.5” MEG w/ c-ring.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Well read the posts in this thread and you will find out what the users are saying ..also read all posts of 8+ h of extending… almost all failures.
And the manufacturers are just that…manufacturers…
The more hours you pull your dick the more contracted it becomes and the loss of mfsl comes and it goes hand in hand with the loss of EL.
Contraction and gains NEVER go together.

Extending has no difference than any other PE method … it also need reasonable time under tension and rest days in order to work for optimum gains…
Tell this to the manufacturers .

Only us… the real PE practisioners are able to know what really happens …
Manufacturers are just making a tool that pull the dick… nothing more… they are not in a position to know how is the best way to use it for optimal gains.

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
Well read the posts in this thread and you will find out what the users are saying ..also read all posts of 8+ h of extending… almost all failures.
And the manufacturers are just that…manufacturers…
The more hours you pull your dick the more contracted it becomes and the loss of mfsl comes and it goes hand in hand with the loss of EL.
Contraction and gains NEVER go together.

Extending has no difference than any other PE method … it also need reasonable time under tension and rest days in order to work for optimum gains…
Tell this to the manufacturers .

Only us… the real PE practisioners are able to know what really happens …
Manufacturers are just making a tool that pull the dick… nothing more… they are not in a position to know how is the best way to use it for optimal gains.

Só my friend, what do you reckon? Low tension 3 hr a day? What would be this magic relation?

After every extending session measure the length of the unscrewd screw… after every session the length will be getting bigger.

You will find out that after some sessions the screw length will start getting less…

This is the indication to finish the extending for the day…

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art

After every extending session measure the length of the unscrewd screw.. After every session the length will be getting bigger.

You will find out that after some sessions the screw length will start getting less..

This is the indication to finish the extending for the day..

+1

PRODUCTIVE PE and just doing PE are 2 completely different things.
PRODUCTIVE PE is all about a STRETHIER dick that is getting longer and longer in MFSL.
When you hit the point that it becomes STIFFER instead of STRETCHIER then you can forget about gains.
PRODUCTIVE PE is all about STRATEGY.
Stretch as much( intensity) and as many( volume) as you must in order to gain mfsl.
When you see that you are losing fsl then its time for a rest day in order to bring back the soft and stretchier state in order to continue gaining mfsl.
Bigger mfsl= bigger EL.
“More is more” will never work because the dick is not dead rubber.
Dick fights back with stiffness and retraction when you abuse it.
Its all about strategy…
Give the stimulus in small doses and rest when it starts fighting back…
This is the key to growth.

” I m extending 8h per day and I stretch really intense to a point I feel uncomfortable ” are all the extending cases reports that are failures with zero gains.

PRODUCTIVE PE that is delivering gains is a strategy gain that focus purely on the mfsl.
And extending is the ultimate gausing method cause when you are using a specific tension you can measure the mfsl with high accuracy and you are able to know when to go for more and when to stop for the day and when to take a rest day.

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
Well read the posts in this thread and you will find out what the users are saying ..also read all posts of 8+ h of extending… almost all failures.
And the manufacturers are just that…manufacturers…
The more hours you pull your dick the more contracted it becomes and the loss of mfsl comes and it goes hand in hand with the loss of EL.
Contraction and gains NEVER go together.

Extending has no difference than any other PE method … it also need reasonable time under tension and rest days in order to work for optimum gains…
Tell this to the manufacturers .

Only us… the real PE practisioners are able to know what really happens …
Manufacturers are just making a tool that pull the dick… nothing more… they are not in a position to know how is the best way to use it for optimal gains.

I have read these posts. Have you? They do not support your thesis that brief PE sessions provide superior gains, particularly for extenders. You then throw out 8hr extender sessions as if this is the norm. Guys who do regular 8hr sessions are few and far between. Any PE method can be overdone and I would certainly agree that 8 hr extender sessions are likely to fall in that category for the majority of guys.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.5” BPEL; 7” NBPEL; 8.25” BPFSL; 6.25” - 6.5” MEG w/ c-ring.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
The time under tension is the biggest fallacy of PE.

Mmm.. Interesting statement. I agree with you when you say that overtraining is what prevent from further elongation, but I think that time under tension can be quite successful only if the load is kept at the minimum and always confortable, and have to be only slightly increased over time.
Failures came mostly form people who went for too long or too heavy too soon.
I’m speaking about experiences of Phallosan users in an other forum, don’t know about other different extenders

Originally Posted by 32quarters
I have read these posts. Have you? They do not support your thesis that brief PE sessions provide superior gains, particularly for extenders. You then throw out 8hr extender sessions as if this is the norm. Guys who do regular 8hr sessions are few and far between. Any PE method can be overdone and I would certainly agree that 8 hr extender sessions are likely to fall in that category for the majority of guys.

I ve read ALL threads and posts of EVERY person that was doing extending on BOTH big forums.
Why did I read ALL of them??? Because I was also a ” more is more ” guy for 2 straight years and guess what?? I was NOT gaining.
4h per day was my minimum volume and 7h per day was my max volume and I was also doing 20 to 30 mins of jelqing.
On the 4h I gained something… then I was so happy that PE works that I increased the tension and the volume… and for 1.5 more years zero growth and a rurtled dick and eventually I lost the gain.
Then I spent hours and hours reading ALL the extending experiences of every guy.
The result of the hours of reading of all these cases was:
Everyone that extended for 2 to 3h per day,5 days per week was gaining .
Almost everyone that was doing 5 to 12h per day without rest days had no gains.
And I m not speaking about the obvious fake threads like the Westantoni( or something like that) that was claiming that he was using the pm for 12h and also doing 30mins of hard manuals and 30 mins of jelq and he was taking drugs to eleminate the pain from all thesw stuff… these posts scream ” scam” and a lot of members understood it.
PE simply does not work this way…
If the case was more is more … then all the pe maniacs ( like my past self) would have the biggest gains… but the case is completely the opposite.
So it seems that you are the one that has not read all the extending posts.
When the BS extending templates are 6 to 12h per day…. then 3h per day is BRIEF , isn’t it?
So when I said brief I ment 3h.
The more hours you are under tension the more stiffer dick you create and the more fsl you lose … so you are not able to gain anything.
Extending every day without any rest days even if its only 3h per day will also lead you to a point of a stiffer dick was lost its ability of stretchiness.
Matti s thread of the PM was doing 3h of extending and he also stated that every 1h session has to be far from the previous and he gained 0.8cm in 3 months of doing this… while others like myself were busting their dicks with back to back sessions of bigger daily volume and got then nowhere…
When I started doing 1h / 4h break /1h / 4h break / 1h …. The extender screws were getting longer and longer in order to hold the certain tension. In simple words … rapid gaining in mfsl.
This is something that bigger daily vol of back to back sessions was unable to offer.

PE IS AN ART of gauging the STRETCHINESS of the dick and know when and how much train.
REST days are your dicks passport to go back into the stretchy state in order to allow more gains to happen.

Doing PE blindly is the worst enemy of gains and it is acceptable when you are a newbie …
But after some years of close observation of gaining and not gaining periods … if you are smart… you are becoming one with your dick and you are gausing everything with protagonists the FLACCID STATE and the MFSL.

Great thread, everyone should read and think about the first few posts.

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
The flaccid has to be big and soft naturally.
This is the indication that you are on the gaining zone because the training you do is not creating a stiffer dick that is counter the gains.
Having a cock ring on is only blinding the natural flaccid size.

I only clamp and jelq lightly while clamping and have notice length and girth gains. I’ve just started to tie at the base of my penis a shoe lace similar to a cock ring to keep my penis engorged. I make sure that it’s not too tight and that it’s engorged enough to were it’s a little thicker and longer and leave it on for some hours (anywhere from 3-8 hrs). So are you saying keeping it lightly engorged is a bad thing? When I take it off my penis naturally looks bigger so I thought I was on to something good. Read other threads where they talk about keeping penis engorged helps.

Also on your days off do you not touch your penis at all? I daily do the bathroom tug when I piss and even on my off days I still do the quick tug (a couple minutes) when I take a piss a few times throughout the day so just curious about your take on days off.

I never said that keeping your flaccid big with a light cock ring is a bad idea.( except a possible injury if it is tight and you don t pay attention often)

What I said is that the flaccid has to be big and stay big through the day without any help from cock ring in order to be able to gain…and that maybe with the cock ring all day ,we are blinding the real flaccid state( how it would be without the cock ring)

Days off are the days that I use my dick only for sex and piss

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
I never said that keeping your flaccid big with a light cock ring is a bad idea.( except a possible injury if it is tight and you don t pay attention often)
What I said is that the flaccid has to be big and stay big through the day without any help from cock ring in order to be able to gain.. And that maybe with the cock ring all day ,we are blinding the real flaccid state( how it would be without the cock ring)
Days off are the days that I use my dick only for sex and piss

Makes sense. Thank you for the reply.

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