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The importance of the FLACCID STATE as a guide in productive PE

Originally Posted by JPLondon
Yes, I realized that after I’d posted that tears weren’t actually needed.

However, if there are no tears, wouldn’t that suggest that cells can stretch and elongate without needing to increase their volume or create new cell material.

That there is some inherent property in them that means if you put a certain mechanical stress on them they automatically increase in size and stretch all by themselves.

Without needing to split and form new cells, as in mitosis and cytokinesis?

Stretch a fluid filled sack and density must go down as volume goes up, it seems plausible that a group of cells sensing such a change will cause increased cell division and cell proliferation.

Originally Posted by Edubrsurf
I’ve read of a guy going slow for 2 years and zero gains. That sweet spot is one of a kind for each one of us. Heavy routine has given me gains, while a soft approach none.

Exactly. Now if only there was a way to figure out with what workouts/intensity you are predisposed to gain. If that were made easy, I’d bet PE would be in popular culture worldwide, as no more would people try PE for a year and give up after gaining virtually nothing. To be honest, I am a fairly patient and dedicated person who hates quitting, but if I spent my first whole year with no gains, I doubt I would continue. I do love hearing about the people who were dedicated for a year or two with no gains, but kept at it and at some point started gained significantly. I guess that is all part of the fun though, figuring it out for yourself what exercises and routines work for you. Although of course it still is extremely useful and interesting to hear others’ opinions, advice, and theories, and to draw trends on what seems to work the best for the majority even if that is not what works for you.

Its good that this thread has become a debate of what is the mechanism behind a longer and thicker dick.
Everyone can say its opinion…
The problem is that NONE knows the TRUTH , simply because no studies have being made on the subject…so all we can do is speculations.
So my speculation is that micro tears and cell division and plastic defo is not happening when a dick grows.
Having read almost every post on both big PE forums and according my journey that matches the majority of the other posts is that:
1. When the flaccid is soft and it can give more MFSL then length gains occur .
2. When the dick is being overtrained the MFSL becomes less and the EL becomes less.
3. When no rest days are present in a PE program , the dick becomes stiff at some point and loss of MFSL happens and loss of EL follows.
4. Members are gaining consistently 1+ inch with just 5 to 10 mins of light manual stretching and 10 min of light jelqing without progressing the program ( this little intensity and volume is not able to create micro and plastic defo).
5. When the PEer increasing the tension and the vol then decrease in size occur.

All these FACTS can not allow speculation of the micro tears and cell division and plastic defo to be accurate.

This is my conclusion … everyone that doesn t agree , he can do his own research by reading all posts on both forums make his conclusions.
I started with a girth of 12 cm and gained 2cm of girth with 20 mins of light jelqing 5 days per week and sporting at 14 cm girth by having a lot thicker dick.
This +2 cm of girth… seems like a real adding of meat… I can see it and my gf can see it and feel it. ( she met me with 12cm and now I m 14cm.)
Also my glans has added so much girth that is almost double and is causing hard time in blowjob when she could easily blow me before.
But what happens when I stop jelqing and strap extending( the strap is responsible for my glans gain)
The illusion of real meat… starts fading away… why??? Because the stretchiness is becoming less and the blood that is entering during erection can not stretch it to it fullest as when I preserve this stretchiness with jelq and strap extending.


Last edited by Pe_is_an_art : 07-29-2020 at .

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
Its good that this thread has become a debate of what is the mechanism behind a longer and thicker dick.
Everyone can say its opinion…
The problem is that NONE knows the TRUTH , simply because no studies have being made on the subject…so all we can do is speculations.
So my speculation is that micro tears and cell division and plastic defo is not happening when a dick grows.
Having read almost every post on both big PE forums and according my journey that matches the majority of the other posts is that:
1. When the flaccid is soft and it can give more MFSL then length gains occur .
2. When the dick is being overtrained the MFSL becomes less and the EL becomes less.
3. When no rest days are present in a PE program , the dick becomes stiff at some point and loss of MFSL happens and loss of EL follows.
4. Members are gaining consistently 1+ inch with just 5 to 10 mins of light manual stretching and 10 min of light jelqing without progressing the program ( this little intensity and volume is not able to create micro and plastic defo).
5. When the PEer increasing the tension and the vol then decrease in size occur.

All these FACTS can not allow speculation of the micro tears and cell division and plastic defo to be accurate.

This is my conclusion … everyone that doesn t agree , he can do his own research by reading all posts on both forums make his conclusions.
I started with a girth of 12 cm and gained 2cm of girth with 20 mins of light jelqing 5 days per week and sporting at 14 cm girth by having a lot thicker dick.
This +2 cm of girth… seems like a real adding of meat… I can see it and my gf can see it and feel it. ( she met me with 12cm and now I m 14cm.)
Also my glans has added so much girth that is almost double and is causing hard time in blowjob when she could easily blow me before.
But what happens when I stop jelqing and strap extending( the strap is responsible for my glans gain)
The illusion of real meat… starts fading away… why??? Because the stretchiness is becoming less and the blood that is entering during erection can not stretch it to it fullest as when I preserve this stretchiness with jelq and strap extending.

You’re a great pragmatists, you definitely value measurable gains over deception, a worthy trait to have! Though there are those whose minds gravitate towards theory, I am a middle man in most things.

I like results but I also enjoy ruminating on what the mechanisms are to those results, as these can be made useful to the community. Even may start to bring in more scientific minded people, perhaps eventually, the scientific community itself!

Many people’s dreams on here go beyond results as those people wish to bring legitimacy to what we do.

The purpose of this thread is to open the eyes to all members on 1 thing and 1 thing only.
That if the flaccid is starting getting short and slim and stiff… that no gains can happen.
This is the title of the thread anyway…
Now if the growth happens due to x or y or z mechanism is irrelevant and we should not focus on it simply because it doesn’t change the outcome.
No matter what the possible mechanism is … what we know is that:
A.Gains in mfsl=gains in EL.
B.Gains in mfsl=stretchier dick.
C.No gains and loss of gain=stiffer dick

Knowing that the A , B , C observations among all the PE practisioners are common … lead me in the theory of
GAINS ARE JUST A STRETCHIER DICK STATE.

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
The purpose of this thread is to open the eyes to all members on 1 thing and 1 thing only.
That if the flaccid is starting getting short and slim and stiff… that no gains can happen.
This is the title of the thread anyway…
Now if the growth happens due to x or y or z mechanism is irrelevant and we should not focus on it simply because it doesn’t change the outcome.
No matter what the possible mechanism is … what we know is that:
A.Gains in mfsl=gains in EL.
B.Gains in mfsl=stretchier dick.
C.No gains and loss of gain=stiffer dick

Knowing that the A , B , C observations among all the PE practisioners are common … lead me in the theory of
GAINS ARE JUST A STRETCHIER DICK STATE.

I know I’ve grown cells. There are growth marks on my unit. There are new veins all over penis and scrotum.

I also have some marks and new veins and my veins have become huge from Jelqing.

Like bb training the pushing of blood creates bigger veins…and when you stop for a period they return to their original state.

Originally Posted by downwardcurve
JPLondon, I agree with you. It does not feel right to just forget about 20 years worth of experience on this website providing opposing theories to his just by him saying, no, this is true. I can’t speak to the cellular level, as I am no biologist, but I do have something to say on the “less is more no matter what” theory.

I think it is an oversimplification to simply state that less is more, and that no one else has experienced growth any other way. For me and seemingly for Pe_is_an_art, less is more does seem to work, but that doesn’t invalidate my opinion of tons of members of this forum throughout the years who have grown using a different strategy. For example, I have read plenty of posts of people gaining from long periods of hanging/extending. What you, Pe_is_an_art, are saying is very important to most of the people reading this post, (people with less than two years of experience, as they should be very careful about how intense their routines are, and more experienced PErs already know what works for them, so it doesn’t matter as much), but I don’t think it should be stated as a universal truth.

It might be a better idea to phrase it as, “find your sweet spot,” but for people with less than 1-2 years of experience (the majority of PErs numbers wise), it is productive to note that their sweet spot is usually much less than they think. That is not to say that everyone will gain from the same exact type of workouts, and to the PEr who has been at this for years, their “sweet spot” is probably many orders of magnitudes higher than someone just starting out. It is also much safer to find your sweet spot by slowly easing up to it rather than trying to overshoot it, hurt yourself, and only then decrease intensity/volume.

I think part of this clash may be arising because the majority of active PErs at any point in time most likely have less than 2 years of experience as most people give up well before then. So for the majority of PErs, less is more probably will seem to be the correct strategy to gain even though it won’t for an experienced vet, and that is why “find your sweet spot, but if you’re a newbie, it’s most likely way less than you think”, might be a better way to put it. I love the fact that we are still trying to innovate, come up with new theories, and not be complacent and blindly accept the current status quo, but we should all be wary of extrapolating universal truths from our own anecdotal experiences and be wary of confirmation bias when searching through threads in attempt to gather information. If only we could get some research grants in here, now that would be incredible!

Find YOUR sweetspot is the very best advice someone can have. For each person to find their own sweetspot, no matter what that is, since it’s going to vary from person to person, is something everyone should try to do.

There’s a lot of wisdom in the OP’s argument about the penis giving your signs of when you are in harmony with that sweetspot or not, but it is for everyone to monitor their own and experiment how hard they can go.

I’ve tried going hard with hanging 3-4 hours the other day. It didn’t take me long to recognize my penis wasn’t responding positively, and in fact I always seem to loose gains when hanging because I can’t get hard enough.

Yet a little routine of 15 minutes stretching and 10 jelqing puts my dick in perfect health.

But even so, perhaps I may gain even more using an extender as many hours of the day, every day, as I can and using peptides to increase recovery and cell growth and multiplication.

Or it might work better on a one day on/one day off scheme.

I personally think the key is expirementing to find out how to maximize cell-proliferation and duplication. It’s an interesting think to play with those parameters rather than blindly following routine structures.

Originally Posted by beyond9
Stretch a fluid filled sack and density must go down as volume goes up, it seems plausible that a group of cells sensing such a change will cause increased cell division and cell proliferation.

If that was the case, you’d simply deform cells and change their shape and structure. Which is not what happens. The shape and structure of the cells stay they same. They simply must duplicate and profilerate, and there is where all the evidence lies.

I would love to see info on the ability of cells to expand in a uniform way to hold more blood, as that would make the mechanism behind PE cut and dried. But I think we would have seen it by now if such a mechanism existed.

Originally Posted by JPLondon
Find YOUR sweetspot is the very best advice someone can have. For each person to find their own sweetspot, no matter what that is, since it’s going to vary from person to person, is something everyone should try to do.

There’s a lot of wisdom in the OP’s argument about the penis giving your signs of when you are in harmony with that sweetspot or not, but it is for everyone to monitor their own and experiment how hard they can go.

I’ve tried going hard with hanging 3-4 hours the other day. It didn’t take me long to recognize my penis wasn’t responding positively, and in fact I always seem to loose gains when hanging because I can’t get hard enough.

Yet a little routine of 15 minutes stretching and 10 jelqing puts my dick in perfect health.

But even so, perhaps I may gain even more using an extender as many hours of the day, every day, as I can and using peptides to increase recovery and cell growth and multiplication.

Or it might work better on a one day on/one day off scheme.

I personally think the key is expirementing to find out how to maximize cell-proliferation and duplication. It’s an interesting think to play with those parameters rather than blindly following routine structures.

This is what we should all keep from this thread.

Well if this is true looks like I will never make gains, it’s impossible for me to keep my penis big and soft all the time it’s only occasionally it will be like that it’s just random for me and even when it is big and soft any little thing can ruin it.

Originally Posted by Jing12
Well if this is true looks like I will never make gains, it’s impossible for me to keep my penis big and soft all the time it’s only occasionally it will be like that it’s just random for me and even when it is big and soft any little thing can ruin it.

Check your Pelvic Floor balance.
Sounds like you have tension down there.

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
The illusion of real meat


And that is a clear dividing line in PE flaccid theories, you fall into one of two camps:
1. You can grow meat (or cells).
2. You cannot grow meat; you just stretch out.

After years, I’ve fallen into the second camp.

Originally Posted by Don Logan
And that is a clear dividing line in PE flaccid theories, you fall into one of two camps:
1. You can grow meat (or cells).
2. You cannot grow meat; you just stretch out.

After years, I’ve fallen into the second camp.

I am glad you are proving my understanding of how a dick grows ( theory)
Can you please tell us how did you found out that you fallen into this camp?

Originally Posted by Pe_is_an_art
I am glad you are proving my understanding of how a dick grows ( theory)
Can you please tell us how did you found out that you fallen into this camp?


I’m not trying to prove anyone’s theory. I’m only giving you my personal viewpoint.

I decided this from years of working on and thinking about flaccid. When my flaccid is at its most “flaccid state,” it is, sadly enough, the exact same amount of meat as when I began PE years ago.

However, there are some degrees of plumping-up (short of an erection) that give the illusion of me having a big flaccid dick.

As just one example, my “piss dick” today is plump, fat, mushroom-headed, and hard to ignore. Years ago, my piss dick was small.

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