The importance of the FLACCID STATE as a guide in productive PE

Yes, I realized that after I’d posted that tears weren’t actually needed.

However, if there are no tears, wouldn’t that suggest that cells can stretch and elongate without needing to increase their volume or create new cell material.

That there is some inherent property in them that means if you put a certain mechanical stress on them they automatically increase in size and stretch all by themselves.

Without needing to split and form new cells, as in mitosis and cytokinesis?

I’ve read of a guy going slow for 2 years and zero gains. That sweet spot is one of a kind for each one of us. Heavy routine has given me gains, while a soft approach none.

Its good that this thread has become a debate of what is the mechanism behind a longer and thicker dick.
Everyone can say its opinion…
The problem is that NONE knows the TRUTH , simply because no studies have being made on the subject…so all we can do is speculations.
So my speculation is that micro tears and cell division and plastic defo is not happening when a dick grows.
Having read almost every post on both big PE forums and according my journey that matches the majority of the other posts is that:
1. When the flaccid is soft and it can give more MFSL then length gains occur .
2. When the dick is being overtrained the MFSL becomes less and the EL becomes less.
3. When no rest days are present in a PE program , the dick becomes stiff at some point and loss of MFSL happens and loss of EL follows.
4. Members are gaining consistently 1+ inch with just 5 to 10 mins of light manual stretching and 10 min of light jelqing without progressing the program ( this little intensity and volume is not able to create micro and plastic defo).
5. When the PEer increasing the tension and the vol then decrease in size occur.

All these FACTS can not allow speculation of the micro tears and cell division and plastic defo to be accurate.

This is my conclusion … everyone that doesn t agree , he can do his own research by reading all posts on both forums make his conclusions.
I started with a girth of 12 cm and gained 2cm of girth with 20 mins of light jelqing 5 days per week and sporting at 14 cm girth by having a lot thicker dick.
This +2 cm of girth… seems like a real adding of meat… I can see it and my gf can see it and feel it. ( she met me with 12cm and now I m 14cm.)
Also my glans has added so much girth that is almost double and is causing hard time in blowjob when she could easily blow me before.
But what happens when I stop jelqing and strap extending( the strap is responsible for my glans gain)
The illusion of real meat… starts fading away… why??? Because the stretchiness is becoming less and the blood that is entering during erection can not stretch it to it fullest as when I preserve this stretchiness with jelq and strap extending.

The purpose of this thread is to open the eyes to all members on 1 thing and 1 thing only.
That if the flaccid is starting getting short and slim and stiff… that no gains can happen.
This is the title of the thread anyway…
Now if the growth happens due to x or y or z mechanism is irrelevant and we should not focus on it simply because it doesn’t change the outcome.
No matter what the possible mechanism is … what we know is that:
A.Gains in mfsl=gains in EL.
B.Gains in mfsl=stretchier dick.
C.No gains and loss of gain=stiffer dick

Knowing that the A , B , C observations among all the PE practisioners are common … lead me in the theory of
GAINS ARE JUST A STRETCHIER DICK STATE.

JPLondon, I agree with you. It does not feel right to just forget about 20 years worth of experience on this website providing opposing theories to his just by him saying, no, this is true. I can’t speak to the cellular level, as I am no biologist, but I do have something to say on the “less is more no matter what” theory.

I think it is an oversimplification to simply state that less is more, and that no one else has experienced growth any other way. For me and seemingly for Pe_is_an_art, less is more does seem to work, but that doesn’t invalidate my opinion of tons of members of this forum throughout the years who have grown using a different strategy. For example, I have read plenty of posts of people gaining from long periods of hanging/extending. What you, Pe_is_an_art, are saying is very important to most of the people reading this post, (people with less than two years of experience, as they should be very careful about how intense their routines are, and more experienced PErs already know what works for them, so it doesn’t matter as much), but I don’t think it should be stated as a universal truth.

It might be a better idea to phrase it as, “find your sweet spot,” but for people with less than 1-2 years of experience (the majority of PErs numbers wise), it is productive to note that their sweet spot is usually much less than they think. That is not to say that everyone will gain from the same exact type of workouts, and to the PEr who has been at this for years, their “sweet spot” is probably many orders of magnitudes higher than someone just starting out. It is also much safer to find your sweet spot by slowly easing up to it rather than trying to overshoot it, hurt yourself, and only then decrease intensity/volume.

I think part of this clash may be arising because the majority of active PErs at any point in time most likely have less than 2 years of experience as most people give up well before then. So for the majority of PErs, less is more probably will seem to be the correct strategy to gain even though it won’t for an experienced vet, and that is why “find your sweet spot, but if you’re a newbie, it’s most likely way less than you think”, might be a better way to put it. I love the fact that we are still trying to innovate, come up with new theories, and not be complacent and blindly accept the current status quo, but we should all be wary of extrapolating universal truths from our own anecdotal experiences and be wary of confirmation bias when searching through threads in attempt to gather information. If only we could get some research grants in here, now that would be incredible!

Stretch a fluid filled sack and density must go down as volume goes up, it seems plausible that a group of cells sensing such a change will cause increased cell division and cell proliferation.

Find YOUR sweetspot is the very best advice someone can have. For each person to find their own sweetspot, no matter what that is, since it’s going to vary from person to person, is something everyone should try to do.

There’s a lot of wisdom in the OP’s argument about the penis giving your signs of when you are in harmony with that sweetspot or not, but it is for everyone to monitor their own and experiment how hard they can go.

I’ve tried going hard with hanging 3-4 hours the other day. It didn’t take me long to recognize my penis wasn’t responding positively, and in fact I always seem to loose gains when hanging because I can’t get hard enough.

Yet a little routine of 15 minutes stretching and 10 jelqing puts my dick in perfect health.

But even so, perhaps I may gain even more using an extender as many hours of the day, every day, as I can and using peptides to increase recovery and cell growth and multiplication.

Or it might work better on a one day on/one day off scheme.

I personally think the key is expirementing to find out how to maximize cell-proliferation and duplication. It’s an interesting think to play with those parameters rather than blindly following routine structures.

Well if this is true looks like I will never make gains, it’s impossible for me to keep my penis big and soft all the time it’s only occasionally it will be like that it’s just random for me and even when it is big and soft any little thing can ruin it.

The illusion of real meat

And that is a clear dividing line in PE flaccid theories, you fall into one of two camps:
1. You can grow meat (or cells).
2. You cannot grow meat; you just stretch out.

After years, I’ve fallen into the second camp.

I am glad you are proving my understanding of how a dick grows ( theory)
Can you please tell us how did you found out that you fallen into this camp?