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thoughtfulgold's Edging Theory

Originally Posted by pe_pe
Hey thoughtfulgold,

I disagree with your views on this one.
Following your logic, chronic masturbators should generate gains over time by ballooning/edging.
General consensus indicates otherwise.
I think ballooning/edging is good to retrieve tempgains after a pe workout and can help with recovery/bloodflow or be a measure against turtling.
As you mentioned a long duration edging session can affect EQ.
Something you don’t want after a pe-workout.
In my eyes edging/ballooning shoudn’t be a main focus. I consider it more of a warm up/warm down.
As a maintenance tool it is great though (to maintain tempgains(i.e. condition break)).

In german forums cockring edging/balloning is more popular to go along a routine than old fashioned edging/masturbation.
Just use a soft and non-constricting (!) cockring and thereby reduce the time investment and increase efficiency.
It can create gains on its own.

If you want a natural max expansion in a shorter time frame, do high EQ towel raises. You can do them too using a soft cockring.
Great way to conserve the temp gains and skyrocket the EQ after a few weeks of using them instead of comprising EQ.

In general, I wouldn’t rely on chronic masturbation to create gains. Not very effective and moreover very time consuming.
If you enoy it, go for it. But in my eyes it is not necessary for a good pe workout.
Just my take on it.

Have you use these high EQ towel raises? They really skyrocket your EQ?

I am really interested to add them in my routine, because i need an EQ improvement exercise to balance my EQ drops from stretching. For how long and how many reps should i do?

Originally Posted by Gentlepsychopath
Have you use these high EQ towel raises? They really skyrocket your EQ?

I am really interested to add them in my routine, because i need an EQ improvement exercise to balance my EQ drops from stretching. For how long and how many reps should i do?

Hey,

towel raises are great to counteract EQ swings that come with intense stretching routines.
If you train hard, the EQ can always be affected to a certain degree.
Towel raises can really help to reduce turtling and recovery time.

In general towel raises train the bc muscle. So you want to avoid over training as a fatigued bc muscle can lead to EQ troubles.
It is best to go slowly and increase reps/intensity over time in small steps.
I think a couple weeks are necessary to see first results.
The big advantage is the short time frame that is needed to perform towel raises in comparison to edging/ballooning or high number of erect kegels.
Moreover the intensity and expansion is higher.
You are really training for a hard erection with this exercise.

The exercise is pretty simple.
If you aren’t using IR light , I would re-warm up for a couple minutes to increase pliability to support expansion.

Get as hard as possible, place a towel on your shaft or head.
Do a erect kegel and raise the towel.

I think a good starting point is 2-3x3-5 reps and a placement of the towel near to the base.
In my workouts I do 40-60 (3x 10-20) reps and I use a old t-shirt size xl placed on my head.
If the towel is too low in weight you can use some water to add some or take a bigger towel.

I had a lot of problems in the beginning and it took some time because I couldn’t keep up the EQ after 5 raises.
I started at 1-2 seconds raises for the whole motion (“bouncing”) and now I perform 5-15 seconds holds at the highest point.
The biggest mistake doing towel raises is neglecting the downward movement after the raise.
You should actively try to lower the towel and consciously avoid to release the kegel (resulting in a “fast” drop of the towel).
This helps against dysbalances in the future.

So a set looks like this :

1 Min ballooning/edging to max EQ
10-20 x 5-15s raises + 3-10s drops

I like to go as long as the EQ starts to drop to 70% in the set.In my case this usually happens after 40 reps.
In the last rep of the set I like to hold the raise as long as possible to get some nice flaccid expansion after the session.


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Originally Posted by pe_pe
Hey,

towel raises are great to counteract EQ swings that come with intense stretching routines.
If you train hard, the EQ can always be affected to a certain degree.
Towel raises can really help to reduce turtling and recovery time.

In general towel raises train the bc muscle. So you want to avoid over training as a fatigued bc muscle can lead to EQ troubles.
It is best to go slowly and increase reps/intensity over time in small steps.
I think a couple weeks are necessary to see first results.
The big advantage is the short time frame that is needed to perform towel raises in comparison to edging/ballooning or high number of erect kegels.
Moreover the intensity and expansion is higher.
You are really training for a hard erection with this exercise.

The exercise is pretty simple.
If you aren’t using IR light , I would re-warm up for a couple minutes to increase pliability to support expansion.

Get as hard as possible, place a towel on your shaft or head.
Do a erect kegel and raise the towel.

I think a good starting point is 2-3x3-5 reps and a placement of the towel near to the base.
In my workouts I do 40-60 (3x 10-20) reps and I use a old t-shirt size xl placed on my head.
If the towel is too low in weight you can use some water to add some or take a bigger towel.

I had a lot of problems in the beginning and it took some time because I couldn’t keep up the EQ after 5 raises.
I started at 1-2 seconds raises for the whole motion (“bouncing”) and now I perform 5-15 seconds holds at the highest point.
The biggest mistake doing towel raises is neglecting the downward movement after the raise.
You should actively try to lower the towel and consciously avoid to release the kegel (resulting in a “fast” drop of the towel).
This helps against dysbalances in the future.

So a set looks like this :

1 Min ballooning/edging to max EQ
10-20 x 5-15s raises + 3-10s drops

I like to go as long as the EQ starts to drop to 70% in the set.In my case this usually happens after 40 reps.
In the last rep of the set I like to hold the raise as long as possible to get some nice flaccid expansion after the session.

Very informative. I really appreciate your answer.

I’ve been reading forums on PreE topic for a some hours and I’m fairly convinced now that more than half of the posts are just people tying to explain their experience, failing, and thinking that everyone is talking about the same thing. Or thinking that some post/thread has a great explanation of something, when in fact it includes major mistakes.

I have a few questions, but I’m not sure where to dump them. I will try here first.

I’m interested in controlling my arousal and Involuntary Kegels (IK), so I last longer in bed. Preferably I’m rock hard and cum only when I consciously decide to. Also a good flaccid hang, so I have a nice bulge.
Seemingly ballooning is a great solution on it’s own. But some idiot on pegym said that during ballooning he only does reverse kegels. I have no idea how he could do that, as the blood won’t get trapped at all. Maybe he was sitting, rather than supine.. At first it did make sense to me to never do kegels during arousal, so my body can get used to never do IKs.

So, here are my questions, I hope someone can answer. Does ballooning always involve kegels, strong holds etc? Are there better options to improve hang? I guess a generic pump could do that and save some time, but I don’t want to bother with that, not yet. For me right now it’s easier to find 1-2 hours of privacy, than to have a big perverted tool that someone may notice.
I’m still confused about reverse kegels. I’m supposed to relax BC, PC and IC muscles? They’re always relaxed.. Am I supposed to stretch them? I can do that only if I engage my abs. Some other idiot said that abs should be relaxed. Was that a lie?

Originally Posted by 0952
So, here are my questions, I hope someone can answer. Does ballooning always involve kegels, strong holds etc?

To my knowledge and experience yes to some extent. But only somewhat. My erections improved once I didn’t need to kegel to keep an erection. Which happened just from the volume of edging and provoking erections I’vedone with other exercises and edging itself.

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Are there better options to improve hang? I guess a generic pump could do that and save some time, but I don’t want to bother with that, not yet. For me right now it’s easier to find 1-2 hours of privacy, than to have a big perverted tool that someone may notice.

Flaccid hang is seldom able to be directly targeted. Stretching manually and use of extenders have advantages there but I cannot guarantee results for flaccid hang in a time frame.

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I’m still confused about reverse kegels. I’m supposed to relax BC, PC and IC muscles?

My understanding of a Reverse Kegel is the same sequence of movements required to push out solid waste. I will intake a breath, push and hold for 5 seconds and repeat wjen I intend to do Reverse Kegels.

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They’re always relaxed.. Am I supposed to stretch them? I can do that only if I engage my abs. Some other idiot said that abs should be relaxed. Was that a lie?

When I do Reverse Kegels during my 5 second count my ab muscles are tight, always.

Hopefully this helps.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

The best edging/ballooning technique that worked for gains along with other PE methods I saw was Ganesh10in’s routine, he was gaining page after page in his thread at one point with only manual stretches/jelqing/squeezing(manual stuff only) along with edging for 30min-2hours time! Also, my personal favourite, Stan from pegym also kept a max erection/edging for 30-2hours along with manual stretches and gained incredibly.

I will take this route as well when I will be doing clamping/other girth work probably pretty soon.

RK’s for me work best when walking, because I don’t clench the abdominal muscles too much, sometimes not at all.

Kegels have become way stronger since I have been hanging and gaining, and also there is the Reverse Front Kegel I read on many threads that I can’t explain properly, sort of like starting with a RK and simultaneously doing a strong kegel after the RK is already clenched, I guess….

What is vascion deemed as? Kind of feel it falls in between edging and jelqing.

Either way, I’ve found a 20 minute session very good , it gives me a more fuller erection than edging / jelqing.

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
My understanding of a Reverse Kegel is the same sequence of movements required to push out solid waste. I will intake a breath, push and hold for 5 seconds and repeat wjen I intend to do Reverse Kegels.

This makes sense to me, except I’ve seen a few times people saying that you shouldn’t stop breathing, hold your breath, etc. I think the idea behind it is that an abnormal breathing will be a signal of stress and it’s important to not disrupt a relaxed state. But personally I don’t tend to be very stressful (with some exceptions, lol).

So it all comes down to personal experience. And forum posts shouldn’t be trusted, even if they’re pinned and have a bunch of replies. Shouldn’t be trusted unless it’s a book, maybe.

Thanks for the reply, it was helpful.

This picture made me better understand what’s going on with these muscles https://yuanadesukma.files.wordpres…n-and-woman.png (“PC” in lowecase)

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Hey TG,

Great thread. I’ve not previously seen specifics laid out like this that made edging make sense to me. You opened my eyes and since my girth game needs all the help it can get (especially since I’m sticking to manuals for now and realise that may have to change in future), I’ve got to give edging a shot. So how well do you think this technique meshes with an IPR approach and more importantly, when would it need to occur to reap benefits? Below are my guesses and these would all necessarily be 10 min sessions due to time constraints.

- Micro-I (1 day) Morning & evening PE routines (manual stretches & jelqing) followed by edging.

I also do 4 brief sets of manual stretches through the day at work on Micro-I days a la bennett8 and don’t think edging complementary to them as they’re seen more as length work. Or is the idea more that edging would keep tissues expanded even when “length work” was just done? Light ADS thru my Micro-I day per protocol.

- Micro-P (1 day) No PE routine but edging immediately upon waking up & before going to sleep. ADS thru the day per protocol.

- Micro-R (1 or 2 days) No PE. No edging. No ADS as per protocol.

__________

- Macro-P (2 weeks) No PE but edging immediately upon waking & before going to sleep. ADS thru the day according to protocol.

__________

- Macro-R (7 weeks) No PE. No edging. No ADS as per protocol. Nothing!

In other threads you’ve mentioned experimenting with the IPR approach so I’m curious you’re thoughts on the above - would you advise changing anything?

Thanks,

QL


Think big - dream bigger - your mileage will vary...

QL's Log

Have been on extended decon after growth dried up! Jan/17: 5.5" x 4.4" vol 8.4 ci — Mar 21: 7.1" x 4.6" vol 12.1 ci — Goal: 7.5” x 5.5” vol 18.1 ci :woot2:

Originally Posted by QL
Hey TG,

Great thread. I’ve not previously seen specifics laid out like this that made edging make sense to me. You opened my eyes and since my girth game needs all the help it can get (especially since I’m sticking to manuals for now and realise that may have to change in future), I’ve got to give edging a shot. So how well do you think this technique meshes with an IPR approach and more importantly, when would it need to occur to reap benefits? Below are my guesses and these would all necessarily be 10 min sessions due to time constraints.

- Micro-I (1 day) Morning & evening PE routines (manual stretches & jelqing) followed by edging.

I also do 4 brief sets of manual stretches through the day at work on Micro-I days a la bennett8 and don’t think edging complementary to them as they’re seen more as length work. Or is the idea more that edging would keep tissues expanded even when “length work” was just done? Light ADS thru my Micro-I day per protocol.

- Micro-P (1 day) No PE routine but edging immediately upon waking up & before going to sleep. ADS thru the day per protocol.

- Micro-R (1 or 2 days) No PE. No edging. No ADS as per protocol.

__________

- Macro-P (2 weeks) No PE but edging immediately upon waking & before going to sleep. ADS thru the day according to protocol.

__________

- Macro-R (7 weeks) No PE. No edging. No ADS as per protocol. Nothing!

In other threads you’ve mentioned experimenting with the IPR approach so I’m curious you’re thoughts on the above - would you advise changing anything?

Thanks,

QL

I’m not huge on laying out routines but I will take on what you have laid out.

The crux of what needs to happen is you need to decide the money you make during your I-phase. Heavy, hard I-phase work can play a huge role. Reading your schedule you have 1 day scheduled which implies extremely hard work as you plan on immediately stopping I-phase and moving into the other steps.

What is your layout of how many days per week you’ll do I-phase work and how many weeks you will perform it before moving into your P and R phases? It’s a missing piece in what you wrote and I don’t want to extrapolate to make my response.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Details, details [grin], sorry about that.

So my Macro-I phase runs 4 weeks with two days of Micro-I per week (Mon & Thu, which leaves 2 days per week of Micro-P and 3 days of Micro-R).

This roughly hits the sweet spot for number of sessions (32) within the 3-4 week Macro-I time span that Xeno & BD referenced on occasion (although BD seems very creative within all the cycles). As per protocol, I start Macro-I cycle light (which lines up with coming off of ~3 months of decon) but progressively up the intensity until the end of cycle.

I’m mindful to not hit things too hard ever since I caused myself a nasty EQ problem which you and several others helped me solve. Amazingly, I’ve been able to completely leave porn/fap behind since the start of 2019 so with that negative weight off of my body’s systems, I’m hoping the additional exercise doesn’t push my EQ over the edge.

Hope that completes the picture!


Think big - dream bigger - your mileage will vary...

QL's Log

Have been on extended decon after growth dried up! Jan/17: 5.5" x 4.4" vol 8.4 ci — Mar 21: 7.1" x 4.6" vol 12.1 ci — Goal: 7.5” x 5.5” vol 18.1 ci :woot2:

I like the layout concept. But even me, with the aspects of my more complex routines, allow for flexibility. Remember, when following your schedule, that your PIs can’t read. So maybe you’ll skip a session or dial it back or dial forward. Planning scale ups is always tricky because your body response is not a thing that is known at the time of writing a scaling routine when calculating further into a PE cycle.

Otherwise it’s a solid looking routine. Just don’t focus on how well laid out it is. Let it work and flex it as needed.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
I like the layout concept. But even me, with the aspects of my more complex routines, allow for flexibility. Remember, when following your schedule, that your PIs can’t read. So maybe you’ll skip a session or dial it back or dial forward. Planning scale ups is always tricky because your body response is not a thing that is known at the time of writing a scaling routine when calculating further into a PE cycle.

Otherwise it’s a solid looking routine. Just don’t focus on how well laid out it is. Let it work and flex it as needed.


TG,

I appreciate the feedback and hear you about PIs not being ‘able to read’. I heard one of our members refer to the process you describe as ‘riding the intensity’. Will give it the college try and see if I can finesse some girth gains for my unit. Hear, hear!

Thanks,

QL


Think big - dream bigger - your mileage will vary...

QL's Log

Have been on extended decon after growth dried up! Jan/17: 5.5" x 4.4" vol 8.4 ci — Mar 21: 7.1" x 4.6" vol 12.1 ci — Goal: 7.5” x 5.5” vol 18.1 ci :woot2:

thoughtfulgold - great thread which for some reason I’ve never read. I definitely have edging as part of any PE work I do but never really gave it any focus.

QL’s mention of IPR has made me think that perhaps I need to try this approach! Off to search up more IPR threads :)


Aug 2015 - 7.0 x 5.25

May 2018 - 8.8 x 5.8

Originally Posted by Blindpew
thoughtfulgold - great thread which for some reason I’ve never read. I definitely have edging as part of any PE work I do but never really gave it any focus.

QL’s mention of IPR has made me think that perhaps I need to try this approach! Off to search up more IPR threads :)

I hope my thread took you to a new place in your journey. Thank you for the compliment.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

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