Why do they say pumping is not permanent but clamping is?

For fairness, we should mention that any girth gain, whatever is the techinque used, is largely just temporary. The second part of the title of this thread (clamping is permanent), I’m not that much sure it is true.

Rethinking on this. I’m a crap at anatomy, but I have a vague idea that for those who have a tougher tunica the veno-occlusive function could suffer with pumping. When you clamp, the clamp makes the veno-occlusive job; when pumping, without a clamp stopping the blood, if the tunica is strong, the blood is pushed back with much force (when you release the pressure); on the other hand, the CC can’t expand that much, being the TA so hard. I don’t get appreciable expansion in the tube, no matter the (de)pressure.

I had the same problem with my last tube which had a 2.5" diamater opening. I found there was more pressure on the base of my penis particularly the scrotum. It seemed like the scrotum was more pliable so it was being affected by the vacuum more than the rest of my penis.

I now use one of these http://www.shop bot.ca/ps-unive … 1-25277666.html and it’s made a big difference. I can actually feel the CC’s and CS stretching in the tube when using this sleeve and it’s made a noticeable difference to the size of my morning wood and flaccid.

This is really interesting, maybe it makes the case for using some type of cockring in the tube when pumping ?

Sparkyx
I think it’s interesting that you only noticed gains at the 5”hg mark which has proved too high for me,
do you think for some guys the pressure required to gain may be so high that the damage incurred will effectively make pumping impractical ?

Can a condom do a similar job ?

I’m thinking a prolonged low-medium vacuum pump session could weaken the tunica ? Because after a pump session I get expansion post pump in the CC, aka greater girth and this is “hard girth” not edema.

I thought about but I don’t think a condom could handle the vacuum without massive amounts of stretching and eventually breaking.

I think that is largely the issue with pumping, that the level needed for gains MAY be too high for many guys. This is where things like condom pumping or water pumping come in. I think it allows for you to pump at higher levels without damage, and that may be the difference between gaining or not.

It may only be that it allows you to pump at 1 in hg higher, but that may be just enough to let you slip into the growth zone.

I’ve been thinking lately about taking up condom pumping again, but I want to make an improvement. I was imagining a means of retaining heat with the freedom normal pumping loses by using a glycerine filled “water bed” insert. In the beginning this would be just two condoms with extra lube between. Later on I could give my tube a thin film of clear cyber skin and use a condom.

If you haven’t tried water pumping, I think you will find it gives most or all of the benefits of condom pumping, without the expense. If you do try water, experiment with different temperatures. Hot and cold react differently. I think cold reacts more like condom pumping, with less expansion in the tube, but more reactive expansion in the flaccid during the rest of the day.

It occurs to me that cold may increase the stiffness of the tunica the net result being higher internal stress/pressure without increasing the vacuum,

like a harder than normal erection.

Does it then follow that heat could be counterproductive by making the tunica too flexible and simply allowing it to expand more than usual but still within a

normal range, ie not enough to cause growth or permanent deformation ?

I could argue it both ways, but the truth is some guys get better gains with cold, and some with hot…so explanations are just guesses. The trick with most PE is to try it and evaluate the results YOU get.

I’ve found using hot water works best for me. I would use as hot as my dick could tolerate without burning the skin. The expansion is nothing short of amazing with very little lymph fluid build up.

I find its far easier to get fluid migration with hot water, easier to get edema. I can pump 1-3 in hg higher vacuum with cold water without the capillary damage or edema that I would get with hot water. However, the bottom line is gains, and I think I had decided that heat gave me more of that. I might have to re-test that assumption.

It’s interesting you say this…do you really think this?

Actually reading your other posts, it seems you mean that the girth methods themselves, such as clamping or pumping, produce mostly temporary gains, but that permanent length methods may increase the space potential that girth methods can fill, presumable by stretching the tunica.

This is something I also agree with, basically that on guys with a strong tunica, girth methods pretty much only increase EQ - it is only length methods that will allow for permanent gains and gains beyond the natural capacity of a penis.