ADS turning to hanging

Well, long story short: I’ve been using a vacuum ADS (the vacADS waist-wrapped) for quite some time now.

Getting used to it, and conditioning my penis to vacuum over time, I think the pressure I now can apply for many hours a day can be considered much more typical of hanging than ADS.
I never measured it, but I think it could be ~7lbs.

Since I never properly hanged, here’s some questions to you experts:

- what do you think? Any countereffect, disadvantage or risk?
- for how many hours a day should I “hang” in your opinion?
- about hanging, it’s better to hang for many consecutive days and then take some time off (how long?), or it’s better to do 2on/1off or similar?

Thank you all!

I’m not a vacum hanger myself, but i hear its great—and it has a lot of advantages vs traditional hanging. The biggest disadvantage is getting used to the vacuum hanger; something it appears you’ve already done.

Get a minimum of 10 hours per week. A lot of anecdotal evidence shows that you need this amount of ‘strapped in’ time to get sustained results. So that’s 10 hours not including rest. That’s a total of 30x sets. Slowly work up, increasing sets by 1x set per week until you’re using all of your private time.

If you don’t have enough private time to reach 10 hours per week of hanging, you’ll have to probably substitute another exercise in.

As a word of caution, only increase your weight or your number of sets each week, and move up the weight in 1/2lb increments (use fishing weights with duct tape if you don’t have weight increments this small). Personally I have 2x 1lb weights, 1x 1/2lb weight, a 2.5lb weight, then several 5lb and 10lb weights (I also exercise with the heavier weights, so I have a lot available). The point is, I can always move up in 1/2lb increments with that combination of weights.

You could do 6x days per week hanging as much as possible, then take one light day per week. Or if you feel good, there’s no reason to take a light day. What I mean is, if you haven’t pushed yourself enough and you have no soreness whatsoever, then why take a rest day.

Really, it just depends on how much you’re pushing yourself. Pay attention to your PI’s, make sure you’re reaching fatigue, and be consistent… keep pulling those crimps out of your ligs at least daily so you can maximize your results.

Officially, people on this forum will always tell you to take rest days. But a lot of the hangers getting the best results don’t use rest days, so its your call.

Once again, overall don’t add more than 1x set per week, or 1lb per week until you’re really experienced and you’ve determined what you need. Start with 3x to 4x sets per day (possibly more—since you’re an experienced PEer from what I understand).

It’s critical that you reach fatigue early, during at least your first or second set. The way you know you’ve reached fatigue is that you’re forced to reduce weight in subsequent sets. Be careful about it early on until you figure out how to get fatigue without pushing yourself to the point of injury.

I could say more, but that’s probably too much already.

Mine can’t support more than 1.5kg, 2.5kg and it starts to slip off even with baby powder, plus the point of attachment has become loose from trying to do so after only 2 days. Lame.

I don’t understand why do you consider it a disadvantage: in the beginning, applying too much force may result in blisters, bruises, dry skin or so (and, of course, pain). Once conditioned, all these negative effects disappears.

Ok, my point is I can almost do 10 hours sequentially, every day (maybe non 10, but certainly 5), without taking away the vacuhanger - only repositioning it in the opposite direction (since it’s waist-wrapped, every hour or so I turn it around, once on the left, once on the right).
In a week I could total 50 hours.

The advantage of the vacuhanger is I can wear it under my clothes, while I work, so no need for private time.

I was asking because I noticed that the last noticeable (and almost sudden) gain seemed to happen when I had to stop hanging/wearing the ADS for two weeks.
Since wearing it every day seems to bring no advantage, I was wondering whether this has been noticed by other hangers.

Thank you!

The reports I have read about VACU hangers seem to always demonstrate a lot of blistering, and fluid buildup early on. That with reading reports of some discoloration or other issues, with heavy use over many years, are what lead me to deciding on a traditional hanger. So my opinions are just based on the reports of others. Sooner or later I’ll try VACU hanging—for now I can only repeat what I’ve read elsewhere.

As disadvantages, the sole big one I can think of is that not much weight can be used with a Vac-hanger - I doubt you can hang more than 20 lbs safely with it (I don’t have a commercial Vac-Hanger, anyway).

How many hours daily. Uhmm, that’s kinda a vague question, because you should put intensity in the equation. I think light weights (and I mean with ‘light’ anything under 10 lbs) should be hung at least one hour daily for at least three days per week.
I tend to think also that after a given number of hours more hanging is no point. I think this ‘plateau zone’ is anywhere between 4 and 8 hours, depending again on the amount of weight and individual variability.

What you reported about the ‘growth after the break’ gives a bit of indication I think : you were using enough tension to cause some structural changes in your penis. When this happens, it is time for rest.

This leads to the last question. I think it is better to hang on a 5 on/1 off or 5 on/2 off if you are using moderate weights; when force applied are instead higher, maybe a more prudential schedule could be a 4 on/1 off or even a 3 on/ 1 off. But really we are speaking of heavy weigths, the kind one should avoid to use if there is any chances to get gains with lower weights. Always augment time first, weight after.

The fact that you don’t need to remove the weight each 15-20 minutes, hand in hand with the pulling from the tip, as Big-G mentioned, are two great advantages of the Vac-Hangers respect to clamping style hangers.

Maybe I had a conditioning period longer and stronger than I believed, but I really can’t think of applying a force so strong to tear apart the ADS cap.

When I try to pull it as hard as I can, I really have to stop not because of the ADS, but because it gets painful.
Probably the fact I don’t use talc, baby powder or similar, may explain the exceptional capacity of the vacuum cap.

I have to find a way to measure the force applied…

As I explained here, fluid buildup and blisters gradually disappear after some time, with the conditioning.

I’m more concerned about discoloration, which could be linked to the skin remaining hours under the silicone sleeve, with no proper oxygenation.

More than 4 hours focusing on a specific angle seems to have massive diminishing returns.

Traditional Hanger Example: If you’re conditioned to handle more than 12x 20 minute sets (4 hours+ of hanging), then you’ll need a secondary angle to target. If you go more than 4 hours of strapped in time on one angle, anecdotal evidence suggests additional time wont help most men (this is not scientific, its just what most people seem to report).

In contrast (VAC hanger vs Traditional Bib Hanger), Bib tested the safety of his hanger up to 60lbs (for short periods), and regularly used as much as 40lbs per 20 minute set.

I do find this very tedious—and in fact, I probably lose a lot of hangtime when I can’t get my wrap settings the way I like it (I unwrap every set when I’m pushing for higher weight or additional sets, or when I’m just trying to be careful in general).

I am still concerned regardless, based on many other contradicting reports which tell me that heavy vacuum hanging makes your dick ugly. If you’ve been hanging 4+ hours per day for a few years, then I think your report will carry more weight for me. If not, I’ll wait and see.

I actually WANT to try VAC hanging, but I’m honestly afraid. If I can find people doing intense VAC hanging with less side effects, I’ll be more open to trying it myself.

I do want to keep an open mind about PE and not become one-dimensional. So I want you to know I do value your input. I’m just saying from what I keep reading, the really long term veterans seem to consistently say really intense, long term VAC hanging does weird stuff to your unit. They don’t say it in those words, but I guess its the way I keep taking it :(

Maybe I’m just reading the ‘wrong’ posts / threads? I don’t know.

Hangers like the Bib seem to have some negative side effects too, but it seems there are ways to counteract things like minor discoloring or turkeyneck.

Iron69 abandoned the Bib for the Vac, and had good gains with it. Not saying one type of hanger is better than the other one, both have pros and cons as outlined.

Just another example: Piet tried the Bib’ and found the AFB better (hope my memory is not betraying me). I like the AFB also, there isn’t basically any limit to the weight you can use with it. The thing that I find very boring with clamping-style hangers is the wrapping - when I use the AFB I don’t wrap (pretty painful, don’t try it).

I even had great gains with a noose-style hanger I build - gains too good to last actually, I overworked and my penis turtled back like an elastic for weeks.

The AFB Hanger
Ah… the AFB hanger. That’s before my time. It almost looks like a medieval torture device! (Then again, isn’t that what PE is all about!)
AFB Hanger Construction - 2002 Site - Tom Hubbard

Another Piet Invention…
Speaking of Piet, I like some of his devices:
Piet’s stretcher -updated- 2

I was thinking I could use "Piets Stretcher" (the link above) with this attachment:
The Captn’s Wench Amazing ADS

It would function like a Penimaster, but should be a little more comfortable.

Hanging In Comfort: VAC vs Traditional
There is a point to all this—You mentioned that someone found the AFB more comfortable than the Bib. I wonder if anyone finds the captains wench more comfortable than the Bib. At any rate, it seemed like it might make a fairly comfortable ADS (based on the pictures, for what that’s worth…). I think comfort is a big part of the debate (of traditional vs VAC hanging)

Here’s my experience:

- I began with the Penimaster (band, not noose). Good product, very well built, but nevertheless almost unusable. Uncomfortable, cut blood circulation, impossible to wear beneath the clothes - thus requiring many dedicated hours. I used it for 2/3 months, I think it gave me some minimal newbie gains.

- I bought the PenisPlus, a noose extender waist wrapped. Even worst than the Penimaster due to the noose about comfort and blood circulation, it could be worn under clothes. Wasted money, anyway.

- I turned to monkeybar products; I bought the VacADS and the AutoXleeve. Excellent products: the vacADS, combined with the penisplus elastic band (the only part I kept of it), made the ADS I still use. I consider the AutoXleeve an anti-turtle and night system, to avoid penis shrinking when it’s not extended, so I wear it mostly on rest time (and not in these months, since it would make my penis hang out of my summer shorts).

I’ve been using the vacADS combined with the penisplus elastic belt for 2 years now, even if discontinuously (2 weeks on 1 off, than maybe 1 months on, 1 off, …).
Only in the last 2 months I really reached the pressure limit I mentioned; I measured it right now (measuring the elongation of the elastic belt), and as expected it’s ~7lbs.

It doesn’t give me any negative effect: no fluid buildup, no blisters (which I believe are now impossible for me to get).
I wear it for 2 ‘sets’ every day, each lasting ~4 hours (turning it on the other side, left or right, every hour).
[For instance, I wear it ‘on the left’ for 1 hour, than right, left, right. I wear it off for 2 or 3 hours, then I begin again]

If you’re worried about your penis looking ugly, then I can tell you this: I have only a minor discoloration (most of the times not even noticeable), no bruises, nothing to report but a longer and larger flaccid: when I begun sometimes the penis could shrink back to 5cm (~2”), now it’s constantly around 10cm (~4”). About girth, it scaled proportionally.
About erect length:
- prior to the penimaster, I probably was 5.5”x5”. The penimaster brought me to 6”, but can’t be sure.
- the ADS, the Xleeve (and some jelqing I put here and there) brought me now to 6.75”/7” x 5.5”.

In the end I certainly recommend vacuum over noose/band extenders; never tried Bib or similar, though - but honestly today I’d never change.
As usual in PE, I think vacuum just takes a lot of time to get conditioned, avoiding all the vacuum disadvantages.
I paid myself my eagerness with one blister and some bruises, but I like to think I never really risked any serious injury.

Apart from what I said above, I can compare the vacuum comfort also to some of these other tools - for example, the redi-stretcher.
Sincerely, there’s no match.

A vacuum cap is good when you forget wearing it: the only sensation left is the pulling force - which, I swear to God, I’ve come to love. Just like massaging and pulling gently the testicles, it’s a pleasurable feeling.

All the others are good when the pain is negligible for some time (minutes).

In my opinion, all the other tools have a VERY strong fault: they grab the skin.
Since the penis is made to slip beneath it, they have to clench very hard: thus, they tend to cut blood circulation, and they pinch/bruise the skin.
What BigGirtha said is even more important than it could seem: vacuum applies all the force directly on the head, distributing force uniformly and avoiding any contact with skin. Every important part of the penis is stimulated, and no unnecessary part is.

For me, that’s a lot of the appeal with vacuum hanging. I might try a home-made VAC hanging attachment and compare it to the Bib & the captains wench. Then at least I’m not taking too much risk with trying it out. I know there are a lot of home-made VAC attachment threads out there. Once I feel a little more adventurous, I’ll have to try it out.

I never bought a Bib but I did try out some elements of the Bib in a homemade version. After several intricate designs I realized that Tom Hubbard’s simple AFB concept worked the best. The key imo is to use rigid, rectangular sides that are smooth at the inside in combination with wingnuts and a slick loose wrap. I used innertubes of bicycles and mountain bikes.

I think I made one more version of my stretcher that I never posted with a thicker more comfortable base. I abandoned the stretcher after I realized I could not come up with a comfortable and safe attachment part. The problem is that you can’t feel when your foreskin and/or glans turns numb. A stretcher combined with a proper AFB might extent the safe period but you just won’t feel when this safe period ends.