Hanging with FIRe

Water bottles will work just fine. Gravity doesn’t care if it’s water or gold.

Ankle weights in a large plastic peanut jar. Got to rig it up with an eye bolt. You can see a picture of my set up somewhere in this thread.

Not that this guy’s advice is wrong or right,

But let’s be clear

This guy just started doing PE for the first time in January

We often times get guys on this site giving out advice based on speculation and no real substantial personal experience.

Hi everybody,

There seem to be a lot of conflicting recommendations in terms of how to get started and the reason why we see a lot of confusion and repetitive questions in this and related threads.
Examples would be 60 vs 90 minute sessions, 3 vs 6-7 weight increase increments, how many days on and off or how many days on before a longer deconditioning break, how to calculate the strain before a deconditioning break, how long on average a deconditioning break should be and so on.

I am personally an experienced hanger from 10 years ago who just returned due to a 0.5” loss over the decade and I am even struggling with grasping how to kick off an easy-to-follow routine involving the elements outlined in these threads. I want it to be as close to current consensus as possible as I will keep religious data to help contribute to the overall database.

Below is my listed routine that I will kick off shortly. I would love for you pioneers of this strategy to correct or adjust any step that you think is deviating from the core strategy.

1. Calculate your .1 MPa and .17MPa. For the sake of creating an example, let’s say mine would be 36oz / ~1kg and 48oz / ~1.25kg.
2. Measure your BPSFL.
3. Hang for 15 min cold at 18oz / 0.5kg then turn on the FIR heating pad.
4. Hang for another 30 min at 36oz then remove the FIR heating pad.
5. Hang for another 15 min at 48oz.
6. Measure your BPSFL again to see if your strain is between 2-4%.
7. Repeat step 1-6 daily and adjust weights bimonthly if the strain is out of range.
8. Take a deconditioning break for 1-2 months after approximately 2 months cycle or earlier if your total strain since cycle start is above 5-8%.

My log is under progress “2 months in”

I think the exact protocol is less important than consistently getting a gentle stretch under sufficient heat followed by a cooldown phase.

I’m not completely sold on the de-con break, but maybe that’s because my first cycle was so good and I’m halfway through a 4 week decon and it’s so frustrating I feel like I could still be gaining.

I ended up settling on 4 weight increases over my session. And my sessions were 65 minutes just because I went with a 15 minute cooldown. I ran it 6 weeks and my strain was 14.1% and I gained 1/2 inch BPEL, so I would not stop a cycle just because you hit 5% or 8% strain. I’m fact, I’m seriously considering my next cycle to just cruise along until I notice a week or two with no new bpsfl gains and then take a break at that point.

I also didn’t use the calculator, call me lazy, but I just started with 3.5lbs and made one increase of 1/2 lb during the cycle. I can’t say it did or didn’t do anything, but next cycle I’m probably just going to run the exact same weight the whole time. I was gaining right from the start so why bother doing math.

Thanks for your case report. When you say started with 3.5lbs, do you mean your initial weight during the heat phase or as your max weight a k a the cooldown phase?

Could anyone using the TotalMan heat pad help me?

Mine arrived after 2 months. In tests I did not feel the heat as reported by users, who feel a sometimes unbearable heat to the point of burning. At maximum power I feel a very natural heat. I’m thinking mine might be faulty. Has anyone had this problem?

I started my initial weight at 3.5 and went to 5.5. That was my increase for the session. I bumped that up after two weeks to 4 as a start and 6.5 as a finish. I increased my final jump from 1/2 lb to a full 1lb jump in order to get closer to the 20% increase I had read about.

Here is the speculation :
longerstretch - The Long Game: Learning with Longerstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

The answer to your question right in the first post where you ask a question.
Sorry for having the nerve to answer your question old member

Sorry to jump in here Pipomytho, but I am starting to see several guys that started this method saying the gains have slowed down considerably. I am not saying it does not work, just that it might have the same fate as many prior methods. It is just too new to make the call. I do think it has components that have historically such as heat and the time component. These have also worked in other methods so they by no means unique to this method. Time will tell.

It’s a forum, anyone who would like to jump should be welcomed.
Plus the post younare quoting isn’t about if this routine gives progresses but the need of decons breaks to restore baseline and non alignated fibrils whatever your routine is.
Nobody ever tell for any PE method that it will work 100%.
From all the threads here we could see guys successful and other partially or not at all.
That’s why, myself i try to stick exaclty to 5.5squared progress log did, with reserve in order to give me room if things starts to stall.
Clearly here the question isn’t about wether the method work or not but 2 idea which are colliding. Less is more or more is more.
It worked for 5.5squared so the guys interested just have to test it, put themselves in the best conditions if needed (multiple month decon breaks if heavy PE before), and also embrace the less is more philosophy at least for the regimen.
Because when you measure everyday, if you are not convinced you won’t preclude yourself from adding weights etc.

Obviously principles aren’t new, just new done this way.

Hey Pipo, I’m one of the guys having difficulty gaining using this method. I think in my case, as I’m a “veteran” with Jelq/stretch from a few years ago … then I’m thinking some guys, like 5.5 and a few others, are newbie gains.

I think the data point is who is newbie, and who isn’t. Then get a feel for what is happening.

WM12

I know i’m subbed to your thread.
When thinking about it i’m also thinking at the starting size. There isn’t enough data yet but we need to check to if the starting size is an important factor.
Is there someone here who knows from which point gains could no longer considered newbie gain?
Because 2.4 inches BPEL seems a lot for newbie gain.
Also when you look at kyrpa’s thread, Igigi, Cbateman they are doing the same with ultrasound

The therapeutic heat technique seems to be something really new in PE. From what I’ve read, the pioneers were based on scientific studies on heating collagenous tissues under tension.

Some veteran users of PE decades have gained again with the technique, longstrech, iggi, kyrpa, manko and others are not beginners.

I found out a few things about the TotalMan heating pad by doing some testing.

1- If you use the male and female USB extender, there is power loss on the way, causing the HP to heat up less. Better to use a plug adapter;

2- The TM HP heats up only in the central part. Had to bend it for better thermal efficiency.

Solving these things I was able to feel the unbearable heat on my skin in less than 5 minutes of heating.

I’m glad everything is working. Monday I start my log following this protocol. Let’s see if I can increase it a little more.