More proof that long periods of hanging may be beneficial?

So basically if someone does not keep up with it, it will go away!

Well not completely but some losses will occur. Occasional maintenance is all that’s necessary.

So would I gain more if I hung 5.5lbs for 4x20 min sets as 1 80 min set therefore not taking any breaks between sets. If I am not feeling any pain or coldness in my unit? Or will that diminish my gains?

Never hang for more than twenty minutes at a time, you can’t feel tissue death.

Yes, I agree with Behemoth. Longer then 20 minute sets should be avoided because there is not only the possibility of internal damage from loss of fresh oxygenated blood to keep tissues healthy but also a chance for discoloration of dermal layers. Basically what we’re trying to avoid is gangrene caused from a lack of circulation. Hence the 20 minute rule. I would normally just release the clamp pressure on my hanger long enough to allow circulation which shows by a return of pink color to my glans, then tighten up and start another set. That process would only take 5 minutes or so. Longer the 20 min sets is an unnecessary risk.

Thanks for the heads up guys. I will take breaks after 20 mins :)

I’m doing 1 hour uninterrupted sets of Vac hanging with 5 pounds. Do you guys feel the 20 minute rule applies to light Vac hanging too? I’m calling light 5 pounds which may be wrong of me to think of that as light.

What you have to be careful of wawa, is blisters. I assume your taking precautions along those lines but overall your going to be looking at a more substantial hanger with the need to increase weight in the future. Vac hanging is comfortable for sure but it does have its drawbacks. Vac hanging doesn’t create the same circulation problems as a basic hanger so your not as vulnerable to tissue damage in the same way classical hanging does. You could apply the 20 min rule to your routine just to get in the grove for the future..

A while back I ran across an abstract of a study that found ligaments that had been stretched gained more water during the following rest period, becoming supercompensated with water, and therefore tougher. Or something like that. It struck me as a valid explanation of the “turtling” or shrinkage sometimes experienced during periods of PE. I wish I had saved the URL.

If this post-stretching water increase is actually what we are experiencing with PE, how does it affect things? Do we want to provide constant enough tension to prevent this from happening (can we even do that?) or cycle our stretching/hanging around it? Or just simply ignore it?

I definitely don’t have the knowledge most of you all have but in my personal experience I avoid turtling by following up my vac hanging hour with using my extender for as long as possible, typically 2 to 4 hours. This keeps me from turtling post hanging. I’ve also noticed my flaccid length is much improved as compared to pre-PE and that turtling after removing my extender seems to never happen unless I get cold.

What’s interesting about what you found is that the bodies healing cycle brings to the damage tissues proteins and enzymes for clean out of damaged cells and begin the process of repairing those damaged areas. It’s very possible that the water build up is part of that process. Now that doesn’t mean that limiting or stopping that action is going to negatively affect our goal. Cologne will find its way to the area to build up what damage has been done to the ligament lattice structure. All we’er trying to accomplish is disallowing that new Cologne build up to be done in a regressed or turtled state. When new Cologne is applied to the Lattice structure while it is stretched out via an ADS then that new structure will be longer then the original and Whalah! more length. :)

I hate perfume and cologne. Do you mean collagen? I don’t necessarily agree with your take on how all this works physiologically, but I do agree with you about not allowing things to heal in a shrunken/turtled/whateveryouwanttocallit state.

I found early on that my BPEL would often temporarily stale or even slightly regress during an intensive PE routine. Less so when hanging, but some even with that. I took a full 3 days off of all PE before taking my “official” monthly measurements. Almost always I’d get a better measurement after the break than I had while tracking before — and I measured often enough all along to be quite good at noticing small differences. It wasn’t merely EQ improvement. The tissues themselves relaxed or did whatever during that break to settle in.

That said, I don’t think those monthy measuring breaks were productive when hanging/stretching. After even a short rest, multiple days were required to get back to the same sense of stress felt during sessions as before. I think you’re wise to keep that sensation going and not let it drop, else you’re likely to require more weight and effort (and time) to return to where you left off.

The less weight that works, the better. But it’s all a balance. Ideally we want to avoid techniques that cause tissues to strengthen without lengthening. If you have the time and means, long duration, lower intensity seems better for that that short duration high intensity. In fact, the latter is ill advised. Focus on putting in the time.

Yes, you got me. collagen not cologne. sheesh.
Whether or not you agree, mechanically that is how the structure is repaired once damaged by stretching, hanging, whatever. The point here is to avoid rest time periods without application of some form of elongation to prevent healing in the regressed state.

The only way that strengthening without lengthening can take place is to allow the bodies processes to apply new material to damaged areas and the last phase of the healing process is to return the tissues to their original dimension. That is genetically determined. We’re trying to change that permanently.

Would that be your BPEL only or your BPFSL as well?

I notice the same phenomenon with my BPFSL. I don’t tend to measure BPEL too often, especially now that my erections are not 100%, but I do check BPFSL occassionally and it can be discouraging when it seems to contract, but I try to comfort myself knowing that it’s probably longer given a break.

OK, so let me weigh in with my evidence.

I did my original PE back in the day, like 2001 or some such (cba to check my own profile). Let’s say I wrapped up in 2002.

I gained 3/4” on my woodson. Which was awesome and very happy about that. But generally speaking, since 2002 aside from a couple bursts where I thought I’d restart PE and go on to greater acts of architecture….. I’ve done very little PE. I got most of my gains through hanging, and Bigger warned that maintenance was necessary.

So long story short, I’m in a relationship. So I check out what the ol’ measuring pole has to say to me. Several measures, full-on, on various days, and yep - I lost 1/2” of that 3/4” through a neglect of maintenance.

Thus I am a firm believer that PE has to not just be a big period in life to acquire something that is time-metered (such as an undergrad or grad degree), but rather, a lifelong pursuit that has different phases to it (maintenance actually taking up the largest time component).

But I’m in the process of regaining my lost ground, and have some progress in that. I will switch over to hanging in the next few weeks, and continue past my old mark, and onto my 7.5” final resting place. And then maintain the living fuck out of it. I will never give this progress up again.

EDIT: well… shit. I see by my profile that I did 2 periods of PE. The first was mainly stretching with some hanging. The second almost primarily hanging, ending in 2007. Maybe even more alarming in that it took me less years to lose it.