PE4F Pumping at Full Vacuum

So BD do you do this at your home? If so where? It would seem to be quite noisy no?

How long have you been pumping in this fashion now? Does it seem much different to you in feeling than simply hand pumping up to maximal vacuum and releasing the pressure quickly to cycle stress? What have you noticed from pumping this way (feelings, gains, etc), versus traditional pumping?

Regards,

JD

Yes, noisy. Not for stealth PE. Unless you are an HVAC technician.

I live in an apartment building in a high traffic part of town, so I just run it during the day when it’s noisy anyway. If you have your own home, it wouldn’t disturb the neighbors, maybe not even at night. But everyone in your house will hear it.

I have read the posts by PEforFun as well as this thread and understand the principles of short interval pumping. Please describe in more detail the timing of a typical cycle and the vacuum levels that you are recommending here.

For example:
How much time building up to maximum vacuum;
How much time held under maximum vacuum at what vacuum level;
How much time reducing down to minimum vacuum;
How much time at rest at what vacuum level.

Thanks.

No rules or recommendations. Except by the nature of the system, it will take about 1-2 seconds to get to near full vacuum, and less than a second to release the vacuum. Everything else is up to individual experimentation and preference.

The problem with high pressures.

So I know most normal pumpers think this method is completely crazy. Or any pumping routine that goes up above 20”Hg for that matter.

The reason why is that at these pressures, several undesirable things happen. PE4F pumping gives one the ability to mitigate these undesirables to a large extent. And thus opens up the possibility of safely and effectively incorporating higher forces into a pumping routine.

Fast and excessive lymph fluid build up
Lack of circulation
Pain / damage at the skin
Blood spots, bruising

Those are the main negatives I think of for high pressures. And by far the biggest turnoff that makes people think high pressures are unsafe is the pain at the skin. Once that is taken care of, it feels a lot more like a good workout.

But talking about your routine, for how long do you keep pressure at full vacuum?

I’ve found my personal preference is about 10-20 seconds at full vacuum, in cycles of course. But I’ve also gone as long as a few minutes.

So I guess I’ll go to skin pain and damage first.

I’ve come to understand that any pain one feels with high pressure pumping is skin pain. Going back to the hanger analogy for a moment, the attachment point with pumping is our skin. That’s where the pressure “grips” our penis.

Anyone who has tried hand pumping up to a high pressure has probably felt a pain in the skin like they’re tempting a blister. PE4F pumping is actually totally painless. It turns out that this pain in the skin is a function of both pressure, and time at pressure. And also conditioning, and acclimation.

So first the function of time and pressure. This is simple. I may be able to do 10 seconds at full vacuum, with zero pain. But if I stay at full vacuum for a minute, it would begin to hurt the skin.

Acclimation, a term I’m using to describe the change in the pain threshold throughout any given workout. Basically, when I do a PE4F workout, I do the first 10 sets at below full vacuum, gradually increasing the pressure with each set. All the sets are 10-20 seconds long. Now, if I were to do a full vacuum set as the first set, it would hurt. But by acclimating over several sets, by the time I get there, it’s painless.

Similarly, I could do the acclimation by varying the time (but I’ve found doing it by varying pressure works better). I first do 10-20 sets of 1 second at full vacuum. Then I could do a bunch of sets at 2 seconds. And so on, up to my full 10-20 second sets. Doing it this way, one may actually feel a bit of pain in each set… but the onset of that pain comes later and later in the set. As I mentioned, I find varying the pressure for the acclimation / warm-up to work much better, and doesn’t hurt at any point along the way.

Conditioning. The skin does get conditioned to high pressures. In a broad sweeping sense, in any given combination of time and pressure, I think I am less likely to feel pain or skin damage after 2.5 years of PE4F pumping than I was back when I started.

Blistering would be the ultimate consequence of ignoring skin pain. The first feeling of blistering is a hard signal to stop for the day. There’s just no reason to tempt it. For me it starts to show up about 20-25 minutes into the workout. Up until that point, it’s painless. It just feels like a very strong pull on my unit. But no pain. The magic of PE4F pumping is being able to spend essentially half of this total workout time, so 10-12 minutes, at full vacuum pressure, without even the beginning of a blister. With normal pumping, this feeling of blistering at high pressure begins almost immediately, within the first minute. So by doing a bunch of small sets of 10-20 seconds, that blistering never starts - until much later in the workout.

Pain at the pubic bone. Thought this is something I should mention because it does matter. A velseal tube or any kind of makeshift padding will fix it. Any pain from any source kind of gets added into our threshold, so comfort at the cubic bone can make higher pressures on the skin more comfortable as well.

Lack of circulation is a problem when doing normal pumping at high pressures, but not with PE4F pumping.

What happens is, the blood just pools into the member and stays there from the pressure. If you pump up to a high pressure traditional style, the penis gets cold. At least mine did when I used to try it out. Lack of circulation causes a bunch of problems, and probably contributes to the pain and stigma of high pressure pumping with the normal hand pump style.

With PE4F pumping, the penis gets very warm. There’s a kind of hyper circulation going on. Each cycle pulls a bunch of fresh blood in, and then releases it. Over and over again, whatever cycle time you’re using, it’s like getting a new erection each time.

I don’t remember if I mentioned it or not, so this is as good a time as any. Hand pumping up to high pressure is not the same as PE4F pumping. It’s just not possible to do it at anywhere near the speed that the electric pump can. If you hand pump up to 29”Hg over say an entire minute, you’ll be cutting off circulation for half of that. Meanwhile, by that time the electric pump would have done it in 1 second, done an entire set at full pressure, released it, and already been on the next set. You just can’t possibly replicate the circulation, or other aspects, with a hand pump.

Pain, is never good…

BD,

You are breaking all of the pumping rules! I feel like you are a Viking pushing past the horizon of the known world.

You have been at it a long time and I’m throwing positive energy your way in hopes that this radical technique carries you to new gains.

I will live vicariously through you as I have a few years, or even more, left of the more traditional approaches before I even contemplate such endeavours.

Thank you for sharing this with us.

Best wishes for safe travels.

Not sure if it was already mentioned in this thread, but:

“These stunts are performed by trained professionals, don’t try this at home!”

Hey BD the more I read the more I have questions!

So for every second at full vacuum I spend another second resting?

How much have you gained with this training?

Do you do any other form of PE when you pump? Do you take rest days?

Peforfun recommended by shaving the pubic hair for somente reason I don’t remember, do you do that too?

How loud is that pump? Loud as a laundry machine or more? Or as a hair dryer?

Sorry so many questions!

You can attenuate the sound with a box made out of a few layers of plywood and insulation, just need to make sure the cross sectional area of the intake of the box is open enough to feed the pump. Also, if there is a baffle on the intake also with insulation (tortuous path) to the intake, you will be even better.

Well it’s not bad either. It tells you where the limit is. What I’m trying to tell you guys though, is that there is a way to painlessly pump at near full vacuum.

You might have to go through some pain while learning technique. But that’s it.

This is another strong takeaway. As much as I don’t like the concept, the fact is the equipment varies widely in capability and capacity. And depending on what is feasible, could be a good way to end a workout when done properly.

Now, my question becomes…does heat, ala heating pad around the tube prewarmed, have any application? Or distinct lack thereof due to pressures utilized?