Pressure: Opinions?

Hello pumpers,

The major focus of my PE research and practice has been dealt with clamping, but I purchased a pump and having been trying to figure out how to use it well.

Through trial and error, I’ve concluded that maintaining an erection while pumped is critical, and cutting the pumped time into sets (despite being time consuming) is therefore necessary, to allow good circulation and so on.

Further, due to my use of the OLF/OLR system, I pump everyday after I finish my clamping - so frequency isn’t an issue. (The method I am using includes a 2 week over-fatigue period and 2 week rest period, basically, so I actually do want to create fatigue).

My major concern is now with regard to pressure. I have been using between 2.5-4.0 units since I had some awkward experiences with higher pressures at the start. The problem is that it seems somewhat difficult to maintain an erection for 20 minutes at that pressure (I am not packing the tube, milking is quite useless). So, today I decided to move up in pressure after reading some posts from ticktickticker (?). I maintained between 5.5-7.0 units of pressure in my 3 sets of 20 minutes. After pumping, I found a much more visible post-pump enlargement. There was a small and tolerable amount of mushroom effect.

What opinions do you all have about such a high pressure level? Gprent, avocet, peforeal, and all the other pumping gainers, I would really like your advice. I realize you have stated your opinions elsewhere, but I was curious about current pressure opinions, as they seem to have changed with gprent, for example.

Further, I am not sure what members meant by saying that higher pressures cause less permanent gains (over time). How does that make sense? I realize short-term gains are not permanent, but how does this make sense if higher pressures are used over a period of years? What do high-pressure pumpers miss out on, compared to low-pressure clampers, over years, that would cause their gains to be less permanent?

If gprent replies: when you talked about moving to 3-4 units of pressure (3x20) to cause your penis to revert to a more aesthetic appearance, what did you mean? Did pumping cause your penis to remain permanently uneven or flabby? I just read about this is another thread and was worried. Clamping doesn’t cause any of these unsightly effects for me, so this is somewhat new to me.

LV.

P.S. Does anyone else get urethra-hole area inflammation from pumping? This is the most unsightly thing that I have ever seen. Whenever I go into high pressures, it occurs, even if the mushroom effect isn’t as visible.

By the way, I tried peforeal’s taping method that covers the top of the head with duck tape in an effort to prevent the inflammation mentioned in the post script. Since I do not have any foreskin restored, I can’t do this without the tape covering the hole, which then becomes painful to remove.

You could try putting some vaseline round the hole and a bit of the surrounding area but leave enough for the tape to adhere to the glans

What happened with me using pressures in the 5-7”hg range was that over time, trauma in the form of discoloration, just kept slowing increasing. My intent was to find a lower pressure that would give the same expansion, but eliminate discoloration and therefore make my cock look totally healthy and with maximum function.

I don’t even pump up to 4”hg anymore. For me, 3”hg works perfectly as I am able to stay fully erect in the tube and get about a 1/2 inch girth expansion in 30 minutes. I can even pump for an hour at a time with no discoloration. Zero trauma is the payoff for me.

Perhaps since you are pumping for 2 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off, you are also able to keep your trauma to a minimum with the 2 weeks healing time.

petitfaun: That sounds like an excellent suggestion! This might actually work for me now, the only downside is that if done enough it might slightly restore my foreskin…which I don’t want. I think I’ll try it today anyway.

gprent:

Is discoloration the only form of trauma you meant to refer to? Personally, my penis is quite surely permanently discolored from clamping, and I don’t really mind it, so it’s not an issue.

I actually followed your posts very carefully when I began. After my first day at higher pressures, I went to between 2.5-4 units (80% of the time at 3). I found that I could easily stay a whole hour in the tube this way, but I didn’t remain fully erect, and my erect pumped length was the same as my BPEL.

Yeah, I am not as worried about the trauma due to the OLF/OLR method. I actually want fatigue that won’t heal in time (overloading fatigue).

The issue is that I am trying to figure out what works best, over time, to create “permanent” gains. The reason I mention permanence is not because of wanting to discuss it, but because I have seen several veterans scold old-time pumpers who lost their gains for using too much pressure. I’m unable to deduce how this could decrease the permanence of gains. Is this at all relevant?

Say you did not worry about discoloration. What pressure/method would you use?

All of my experience points me in the direction that if I have visible damage or loss of function, I have no chance of getting permanent gains. Discoloration to me is a form of bruising and bruised tissue is not going to grow, it just wants to heal and get back to a normal healthy state.

Healthy tissue is what grows. So for me, I had to get healthy first and then maintain that in order to get the best growth results.

LV, I have read a lost of posts here, and I have not seen that.

The things normally associated with too much vacuum are injuries (and donuts).

One possible consequence of too much vacuum too early might be to impede gains, if you subscribe to the general approach that too much force, too quickly tends to curtail gains rather than encourage them. I would recommend against too much vacuum too soon for that reason.

But I have not heard of anyone losing gains they have already achieved because they used too much vacuum.

I have also not heard it alleged that gains as a result of higher vacuum were any less permanent than those gained at lower vacuum.

Lampwick,

I was particularly referring to the discussion between deadeye and avocet on the "My Buddy Dr Kaplan," page five in particular.

My buddy Dr Kaplan

Avocet’s response to deadeye’s complaint that he pumped for five years with no permanent gains was primarily to lower the pressure. Maybe I misunderstood.

Your post is very helpful. I’ve begun to take on the same opinion also. The thing is, I have a somewhat experienced clamper and my penis is quite adapted to high pressure (albeit of a different nature). Yesterday for example, I pumped for 2x30 sets at a pressure of 7.5 units. I had a mushroom, but I woke up this morning with a raging hard on and a good feeling penis. I don’t try to cause damage that can cause actual loss of ability in the OLF period, but I do carry fatigue (which is what I’m doing). Light fatigue though, not so much as to cause turtling or loss of erection ability.

What’s interesting me is that it seems gprent that you’ve taken the much lower pressure approach after making your gains. Is that right? If so, how can we be sure that such an approach causes similar gains to a higher (but moderate, 5-7 units) pressure program?

I understand completely what you are saying. It is just my hope that new guys starting out will experience faster results by going with a low pressure no trauma program from the start and sticking with it. I don’t have any proof that they will, but am confident it is a better approach then going way overboard the way I did when I first started and then slowly over the years keep pulling back until arriving where I am now. It is also much more enjoyable for me now to have a healthy looking well hung cock.