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Buckfever's Post Collagen Remodeling Theory Journal

Originally Posted by Buckfever
That would be a fair assumption. However I did do maintenance and did not not observe a loss.

Which brings up another issue of whether a deconditioning phase benefits or is hindered by maintenance.

This might be an age related issue and a medical based issue as diabetes is associated with penile shortening.

What of the effects of treatment which causes a resistance to such shortening? Does that hinder deconditioning?

Even on BPFSL? No loss at all sounds like maintenance being rather active.

Depends of the magnitude of the stress level of the maintenance. Being on the maintenance mode for such a long time your unit should have long ago adapted to the stress level applied during.

Diabetes surely affects combined with aging. If not actively used, and maintained, penis would start to lose smooth muscle mass and elasticity easily.

Taking in concideration the environment surely low stress level maintenance sounds better than being completely inactive.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Well this is interesting from Pathright medical:

“There was an improvement in restored length between three month and six month trials (an average of 1.6 cm regained after twelve weeks and an average 2 cm regained after 24 weeks).

There was little to no improvement in reduction of curvature after three months of daily use.

We did not conduct any clinical trials of men using the RestoreX device beyond six months.”

So while they did continue the overall enrollment for a year, the trial did not include clinical results past 6 months. The reported clinical data showed diminishing returns between 3 and 6 months, consistent with Kyrpa’s hypothesis of the optimal treatment duration.

I’m anticipating this being a short run endeavor, likely 18 weeks before going back on maintenance. And then maybe taking another stab at it in 240 days.


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Originally Posted by Buckfever
That would be a fair assumption. However I did do maintenance and did not not observe a loss.

Which brings up another issue of whether a deconditioning phase benefits or is hindered by maintenance.

This might be an age related issue and a medical based issue as diabetes is associated with penile shortening.

What of the effects of treatment which causes a resistance to such shortening? Does that hinder deconditioning?

That’s a very interesting question. What did you do for maintenance during the 240 day period? Are you referring to no loss in erect length or some other measurements?

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Even on BPFSL? No loss at all sounds like maintenance being rather active.

Depends of the magnitude of the stress level of the maintenance. Being on the maintenance mode for such a long time your unit should have long ago adapted to the stress level applied during.

Diabetes surely affects combined with aging. If not actively used, and maintained, penis would start to lose smooth muscle mass and elasticity easily.

Taking in concideration the environment surely low stress level maintenance sounds better than being completely inactive.

There were 182 days averaging 18 minutes a day.

August and September combined were a total of 614 minutes.

That said I had gone a long time active after the gains plateaued under the concept of “cementing”.

This seems further complicated to me as there were substantial girth gains realized but unknown at the time and not monitored.

I have thought about adding another rest day during the week. If nothing else for glans conditioning as that seems to be thematic as a limiter.


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12/8/2020

45 minutes @ 72HT

12/9/2020

60 minutes @ 84HT

On December 3rd 40 minutes @ 104 half turns led to a small blister, so given that and reading the reasoning of progression with less than maximum traction, my thinking is to control the increase in tension maybe upping the tension slightly every 10-14 days or so.

For this effort we’ll be keeping the duration @ ~ 60 minutes daily.

There is something though that based on other studies I would like to at some point in the future do a 3 month effort with 3 hours per day. I just don’t know that my circumstances woiuld ever permit it and the higher tension shorter duration effort has worked well enough.


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12/10/2020

35 minutes @ 84HT

Tension felt light but I’ll stick with the gradual progression.


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12/11/2020

61 minutes @ 90HT

Tension was better tolerated.


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12/12/2020

Today is an off day, really trying to insist on that one day off per week at least.

I had noted how there were unexpected girth gains during the previous campaign, which should not have occurred from extender use alone. Maybe that premise is wrong, not sure. But one thing is that the extender that I was using, had an base opening that was smaller than the X4 labs base that I am using now and on a regular basis I would note that there would be a clamping effect, so that removing the base would take some coaxing.

I’m not ineterested in girth gains, but my anecdotal impression is that clamping is likely an effective means by which to obtain gains in girth.


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12/13/2020

60 minutes @ 90HT

Steady as she goes. Still posting 22cm stretched length in the extender. Really thinking I need to get it to 9 sessions a week but right now time does not permit such an effort.


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12/14/2020

60 minutes @ 96HT

Seems like it’s going pretty good.


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12/14/2020

p.m.

47.5 minutes @ 48HT

Kept the tension at half the morning session. Exerting a modicum of restraint.


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12/15/2020

45 minutes @ 100 half turns.

100 half turns might be it for the max tension at a given extender length for the X4 labs device. We want a good margin of safety away from unthreaded.

We’ll see what the outcome is, but I think this is going well.


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Latest clinical results from Restorex.

https://pubmed. … h.gov/33223425/

Key takeaways:

"6-month (n = 64) and 9-month (n = 63) outcomes were reported, with a mean duration of PTT use of 31.1 minutes. No significant AEs were reported, with temporary erythema and discomfort being most common and resolving within minutes. On intent-to-treat analysis, control-to-PTT men experienced significant length (1.7-2.0 cm) and curvature improvements (18-20%). PTT-to-PTT men also achieved additional length (0.6-0.8 cm) without further curvature improvements."

So there was additional length gains from 6-9 months of .6-.8cm. So some diminishing returns but progress was far from halting.

These finding are consistent with Kyrpa’s conjecture that the volume and intensity of work needs to be modulated to avoid strengthening and thus shutting down the adaptation.

Levine had done a study some time ago in which every 2 weeks a .5cm rod was added to the extender and after 3 months found that only those that averaged over 3 hours daily had clinically significant results. So low tension needs more volume.

In the Restorex trial those doing 3 30 minute sessions did not experience additional gains. So high tension needs time under tension modulated.

I think that the body of work here has anecdotally revealed that. It’s just that there has been no standardized approach with a big enough "n".

If you’re doing long duration and not gaining, tension is probably too low. If you’re doing high tension and not gaining, the volume is probably too much.

In terms of any clinical studies considering deconditioning, good luck with that. We are on our own.

About the best I can offer, is if you really pull a hamstring it takes 6 months at least to fully heal. Is that the same deal here? Can’t say.

Is the 240 day valid for mechanotransduction? I have no fricken is all respects LOL.

But that said, if you think about your approach and you’re intelligent about it you should be able to get something.

62 achieved over 2cm in 9 months in the Restorex trial. That’s a lot of validation for an average of 31 minutes of daily use!!!


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Last edited by Buckfever : 12-16-2020 at .

12/16/2020
53 minutes @ 100 half turns.

Glans attachment discomfort s0 ended the session. We’ll get it up to 60 minutes soon enough. Got to keep the tissues healthy!


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Above should have said:

Is the 240 day valid for mechanotransduction? I have no fricken idea in all respects LOL.


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