Buckfever's Post Collagen Remodeling Theory Journal

For those interested in my previous journey and results see here:
Buckfever’s progress report/bananaman story.

This log is to examine a theory that I have regarding essentially long term deconditioning. Specifically are additional gains available after diminishing returns are achieved, following a 240 day time period of maintenance? 240 days being the long held time period in which collagen fibers are thought to remodel fully. (That said it is also known that elastic fibers are not remodeled for a year, which for me is useful to consider.)

Equipment:

X4 labs base and extension rods and a generic hybrid cradle and noose. With velcro to secure the noose. I find the X4 lab cradle uses a noose that it too small for my liking. Generic hybrid cradles and replacement noose materials are readily available on Ebay. The X4 labs base and extension rod assembly are of seemingly better quality although not necessarily easier to use. The base is definitely more robust than on generic models and also has a little more room. I tried the wide girth base and don’t like it.

One thing I want to emphasize based on my experience and based on reflection. If you are having trouble with slippage with the noose, it is almost certainly because you are using too many extension rods. The final position of the glans needs to be such that the tip of the glans extends beyond the end of the cradle. The reason for this is because the noose needs to exert a downward force so that slippage will not occur. I mention this now because I wasted a lot of time, with slippage issues simply because I was overzealous with adding length to the extender.

Baseline measurements:

Base girth ~ 7"
Midshaft girth ~ 5.5"
BPFSL ~ 7.25"
Maximum stretched length in the extender(MESL) ~ 21cm

MESL is the length that I will be monitoring, it is simply that it is the easiest and most accurate measure for me to monitor. To get that measure I use the same tape measure for consistency.

Great to have you back . I will be lurking around.

Love seeing you Buck! Looking forward to this thread and your continued contributions!

In minutes
4-Nov 60
5-Nov
6-Nov 60
7-Nov
8-Nov 60
9-Nov 60
10-Nov 60
11-Nov 60
12-Nov 30 31
13-Nov 60

Running with tension bottomed out, so screws backed out till bottomed out. Recent sessions with screws near maximally backed out for current extender length. Will be working 30 and 60 minute sessions, shooting for ~ 7 hours per week with a high tension approach. Will not add length until next line is showing in extender at end of 60 minute sessions with screws maximally backed out. Plan to take monthly measurements and will continue with experiment for three months or approximately 100 hours. If >/=1 cm is gained then will continue for another 3 months.

At 6 months will evaluate.

6 days on one day off.

Saturday is always fun day and want to run full throttle.

Good to see that you still got your priorities straight Buck.

11/15/2020

Had the time in the morning so got in a 30 minutes session with max tension achieved 10 minutes in. Wanted to test the effect on EQ later in the day.
I can report no effect.

Maybe the 30 minutes is fine, or perhaps it’s the smaller weekly volume with the high tension approach.

FWIW

12/4/2020 update

So one month in, we’ve logged 1767.5 minutes using a high tension approach either hour long daily sessions or 2 shorter sessions. Fridays going for one longer session in the AM and then taking off till Sunday morning for glans conditioning and to up the EQ for Saturday nights. Yesterday I managed the highest tension to date but when going for the second session I heard a pop and I popped a tiny blister on the glans I did not realize had developed. Today I backed off ~20% and was able to get in a 60 minute session without incident.

Maximum stretched length in the extender(MESL):~22cm

A gain of ~ 1 cm already. I noticed the accommodation at ~ 2.5 weeks in.

I reviewed my original log and it was pretty clear that the preponderance of gains occurred in the first 4.5 months. So my inclination is to go to 4.5 months and then some time after that maybe an additional 6 weeks just to confirm that the gains have leveled off.

I don’t really have a reason to think that things will proceed past that point unless it was a matter that the execution was flawed. It clearly is not the case now, the technique is such from knowledge gained that so much tension can be applied now that a blister can be developed from the noose attachment. THAT is a lot of tension.

With that in hand it will simply be a matter of keeping it in the sweet spot and patiently seeing what we get.

So far so good!

12/5/2020

One thing that I want to add is that Restorex has completed their clinical trials and will be publishing soon. From what has been published, there were gains in the first three months of their trial and similar gains for the next three months. I am curious to see if the gains curtailed in subsequent months. Which would speak to a timeline for when deconditioning should take place.

Couple of odds and ends.

X4labs appears to be out of business.

I am using the base of the X4 labs and it is useful to note that the threads are finer and thus to max out the extender takes more turns. So you need to figure out what max tension is for a particular unit.

If you routinely get busy on a Saturday night, having the last extender session on Friday morning, does result in profound EQ by Saturday night. ~36 hours seems to be magic.

12/6/2020

60 minutes @ high tension.

I do want to get a measure of what percent of max tension we’re operating at for this particular extender length, but with the X4 lab base I have not yet established what that is and am operating at the max tension that can be tolerated for an hour. Right now my guide was a previous session that resulted is a small blister. The visual guidance on that is monitoring the visual stress on the glans. That’s about all I can offer right now.

Taking off the extender when using high tension is no joke, something I need to work on.

12/7/2020

For now until the max tension is determined.

HT= Back out half turn of extender tension rod.

AM
42.5 minutes @ 96HT

PM

46.5 minutes @ 60HT

Couple of things that Kyrpa got me thinking about.

Most of my initial gains occurred in the first ~ 4.5 months.

However in the Restorex study where they were examining 1, 2 and 3 daily 30 minute sessions, results in the second 3 months approximated the results of the first six months. However, we would have to look at the study design to see if there was an influence there. Also the full year results have not yet been released and so we do not know if there was a point of diminishing returns with their treatment application. That would be interesting information to consider when the full study is released here soon,

We do know though that they found no additional benefit in the 3 daily session group over the 2 daily session group.

Also they suggest that missing days has a negative impact on treatment outcomes.

This is in contrast to some of the anecdotal information here, however maybe not given the small amount of treatment volume that the Restorex study utilizes.

So that’s something to think about.

There are a lot of parameters.

How much tension is applied
How long is the duration of a session.
How many daily sessions.
Optimal short run rest days.
Optimal intermediate rest periods.
Length of long term deconditioning.

Here after a 240 day period of maintenance, gains have resumed with a 1 cm gain in one month. With an n of 1 and not a whole lot of iterations. It’s just not a whole lot of data.

I would encourage reading the Kyrpa on volume thread.

Assuming that some size was lost, the gain is easily recovered restoration progression due the tissue memory? The real challenge starting now.

That would be a fair assumption. However I did do maintenance and did not not observe a loss.

Which brings up another issue of whether a deconditioning phase benefits or is hindered by maintenance.

This might be an age related issue and a medical based issue as diabetes is associated with penile shortening.

What of the effects of treatment which causes a resistance to such shortening? Does that hinder deconditioning?