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Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Originally Posted by NicholasVan
Thanks guys.

I found a vacuum cup that won’t cost an arm. I have attached a picture, hopefully it comes through.

It looks a lot like PMP cup to me


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Kyrpa I have some questions regarding portable ultrasound transducers and deep tissue heating:

1). You mention that when heated to 42 degC the penile tissues become most susceptible to greater stretching and therefore potential gains, but how do you know the penile tissues are heated around 42 degC? When using the transducer can you physically feel the internals of the penis warming?

2). I believe you use the US Pro 2000 2nd edition which is a 1 MHz 1.6 W/cm^2 device but you often use it for around 20 minutes as it takes a long time to warmup. I’ve heard 3 MHz devices take a significantly shorter time to warmup is this because of their higher frequency or the fact they often have higher power per area? Are there any other differences between penile tissue benefits when subjected to these two different frequency ultrasonic waves.

3). Is manual stretching with ultrasound application foolish as manual stretching is capable of much higher stretching forces that could lead to injury as penile tissue pliability increases with deep tissue temperature?

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Yes it hinders it. Sound waves can travel through if there is conductive gel between the layers. Of course there will be attenuation which can prevent decent therapeutic effect.

But do them sleeves have to be that long ? Penimaster set up has some flaws but it doesn`t require ridiculously long sleeves. The vacuum cup itself should be that good that the need for extra long sleeves is not there.

If the sleeve is short, then most of the traction force is applied directly to the glans and blisters come very easily. The longer and tighter the sleeve, the more force is spread along the shaft, which means blisters on the glans are less likely.

I tried to search does silicone have low attenuation coefficient but couldn’t find an answer. When I get my US device, I will do some measurements.

When using 1 MHz device maybe wearing a silicone sleeve can be a good thing, because the sleeve makes the shaft slightly thicker, and moves the center of the shaft closer to the 2.5 to 5 cm depth range where therapeutic heating occurs. The shaft is a lot thinner when stretched.

Originally Posted by AverageGainer
Kyrpa I have some questions regarding portable ultrasound transducers and deep tissue heating:

1). You mention that when heated to 42 degC the penile tissues become most susceptible to greater stretching and therefore potential gains, but how do you know the penile tissues are heated around 42 degC? When using the transducer can you physically feel the internals of the penis warming?

2). I believe you use the US Pro 2000 2nd edition which is a 1 MHz 1.6 W/cm^2 device but you often use it for around 20 minutes as it takes a long time to warmup. I’ve heard 3 MHz devices take a significantly shorter time to warmup is this because of their higher frequency or the fact they often have higher power per area? Are there any other differences between penile tissue benefits when subjected to these two different frequency ultrasonic waves.

3). Is manual stretching with ultrasound application foolish as manual stretching is capable of much higher stretching forces that could lead to injury as penile tissue pliability increases with deep tissue temperature?

1)It have been tested by Manko007 and me that even if we aim for 42 °C the best we can is to reach the mean temperature of 40.5 - 41 °C reaching the minimum 39.8 °C at 8 minutes point in my case. For 3 MHz couple of minutes earlier.
And yes the intense heating is felt once you past the 40 °C threshold.

Peak temperatures can reach 43 °C or more but only briefly for seconds.
You can find these tests scrolling this log back and visiting Mankos log.
More tests will be run next week.

2) We can not know the actual non thermal benefits or disadvantages as there are no medical studies available with penises.
All we can hope is that the advantages found in vivo studies on another tissues apply on penile tissue as well.
And what we can tell by the progress all of us, early adopters down here are experiencing there is no reason suppose otherwise.
Frequencies 1 to 3 MHz are not considered to have any significant differences in vivo.

3)Well we have a unique load distributor by nature in our hands. We can always adjust the load not to hurt our selves.
Under the therapeutic heat firstly we don´t need to pull that hard and secondly the damage we might cause is relatively minor to the given elongation.
With the strains we are experiencing we would need to cause lot more damage if done cold. This have been discussed earlier in this log too.
It is not foolish if you are not going foolish. With the equipment it would be many time easier to stretch under the heat. It is doable but almost all of us are using some sort of equipment to stretch. Vacuum cup and elastic bands. Extender. Hangers and weights. You possibly can do it but can take some efforts.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
1)It have been tested by Manko007 and me that even if we aim for 42 °C the best we can is to reach the mean temperature of 40.5 - 41 °C reaching the minimum 39.8 °C at 8 minutes point in my case. For 3 MHz couple of minutes earlier.
And yes the intense heating is felt once you past the 40 °C threshold.

Peak temperatures can reach 43 °C or more but only briefly for seconds.
You can find these tests scrolling this log back and visiting Mankos log.
More tests will be run next week.

2) We can not know the actual non thermal benefits or disadvantages as there are no medical studies available with penises.
All we can hope is that the advantages found in vivo studies on another tissues apply on penile tissue as well.
And what we can tell by the progress all of us, early adopters down here are experiencing there is no reason suppose otherwise.
Frequencies 1 to 3 MHz are not considered to have any significant differences in vivo.

3)Well we have a unique load distributor by nature in our hands. We can always adjust the load not to hurt our selves.
Under the therapeutic heat firstly we don´t need to pull that hard and secondly the damage we might cause is relatively minor to the given elongation.
With the strains we are experiencing we would need to cause lot more damage if done cold. This have been discussed earlier in this log too.
It is not foolish if you are not going foolish. With the equipment it would be many time easier to stretch under the heat. It is doable but almost all of us are using some sort of equipment to stretch. Vacuum cup and elastic bands. Extender. Hangers and weights. You possibly can do it but can take some efforts.

Yeah I think once my beginner routine is over and depending on the portable ultrasonic transducer I purchase, it will be unfeasible to manually stretch for 15-20 minutes or however long it will take for the penis to be sufficiently heated.

I recently looked at the peni master pro which I believe is an extender and vacuum stretcher combo but the vacuum cups alone seem quite costly.

I’ll have a better look thank you Kyrpa

Finally got my ultrasound device.

Kyrpa, do you alternate the heating direction between the dorsal (top) and ventral (bottom) side of the shaft between sessions or do you always heat from one of the sides only?

Originally Posted by mercuryarms
Finally got my ultrasound device.
Kyrpa, do you alternate the heating direction between the dorsal (top) and ventral (bottom) side of the shaft between sessions or do you always heat from one of the sides only?

I do run almost all of the sessions applying the US from ventral side with the length protocol. This way targeting the deep penetrating 1 MHz US to the dorsal side which for me it the restricting portion.
Others may be targeting the heat differently depending on their requirements.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Once I got my new LG chamber and switched back to vacuum hanging for the heat portion, I do the same as kyrpa. As can be noticed ultrasound, even with 3 mHz you are heating the opposite side you apply it to. Having the IR heat lamp from above is a double whammy.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Originally Posted by mercuryarms
If the sleeve is short, then most of the traction force is applied directly to the glans and blisters come very easily. The longer and tighter the sleeve, the more force is spread along the shaft, which means blisters on the glans are less likely.

I tried to search does silicone have low attenuation coefficient but couldn’t find an answer. When I get my US device, I will do some measurements.

When using 1 MHz device maybe wearing a silicone sleeve can be a good thing, because the sleeve makes the shaft slightly thicker, and moves the center of the shaft closer to the 2.5 to 5 cm depth range where therapeutic heating occurs. The shaft is a lot thinner when stretched.

The attenuation can be calculated if we know the acoustic impedance (Z) of the material.
There will be reflection on the boundary of two different medias which causes acoustic attenuation. The greater the difference between acoustic impedances the greater the attenuation resulting on the intensity.

Pure silicon rubber has approximated acoustic impedance of 0.97( kg/(m2 · s)) and depending on source soft tissues have average of 1.52- 1.63 kg/(m2 · s)).

Acoustic attenuation ,a, is calculated by the equation:

(Z_2 - Z_1) ^2 / (Z_1 + Z_2) ^3 = 0.022

So the attenuation for intensity is then 2.2 %

This of course when the boundary of the silicon rubber and the skin is perfectly conducting.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
The attenuation can be calculated if we know the acoustic impedance (Z) of the material.
There will be reflection on the boundary of two different medias which causes acoustic attenuation. The greater the difference between acoustic impedances the greater the attenuation resulting on the intensity.

Pure silicon rubber has approximated acoustic impedance of 0.97 x 10^6( kg/(m2 · s)) and depending on source soft tissues have average of 1.52- 1.63x 10^6 kg/(m2 · s)).

Acoustic attenuation ,a, is calculated by the equation:

(Z_2 - Z_1) ^2 / (Z_1 + Z_2) ^3 = 0.022

So the attenuation for intensity is then 2.2 %

This of course when the boundary of the silicon rubber and the skin is perfectly conducting.

Forgive me there was a significant error and may I present the corrected calculation:

(Z_2 - Z_1) ^2 / (Z_1 + Z_2) ^2 = 0.0565

The intensity reflection coefficient is then 5.6 % which causes 1.6 W / cm^2 US to attenuate to 1.5 W/ cm^2 at the target tissue.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 10-20-2019 at .

Originally Posted by longerstretch
Once I got my new LG chamber and switched back to vacuum hanging for the heat portion, I do the same as kyrpa. As can be noticed ultrasound, even with 3 mHz you are heating the opposite side you apply it to. Having the IR heat lamp from above is a double whammy.

Hey longerstretch what size IR heat lamp do you have? Most portable models seem to be 100 W but I recently purchased a 100 W heating pad which is absolutely useless at heating.

I’ve seen some 275 W models would this be too powerful?

Thank you

I can´t get more than 3% strain, is that enough?

Originally Posted by eivbisi
I can´t get more than 3% strain, is that enough?

Keep producing the strain and you will see if it brings you progress. It should be enough.

If you have measured the maximal strain you can get cold there should be significant difference already.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Balancing acts

Girth campaign results are starting to show some minor progress.

BPEL 22.2 cm
MSEG ( 14.2+ 15.0 +16.0cm) / 3 = 15.07 cm

Base and midshaft girth have started to gain little by little. Behind the glans girth gets similar expansion as other dimensions during workouts but not yet produced any permanent gains.
In fact the shrinking effect a day after workouts is seen as the superficial tissue layers tend to show signs of over exercising by contracting . After at least one day of light manual work and rest they seem to recover and girth comes back to previous measures or better.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
The stress relaxation pumping sets before the clamp squisher are in the crucial role for later fluid retention build up.
I am sticking with the 10 min conditioning sets with pumping. We are in for the girth expansion business not for the skin made water balloon business.

Keeping above in mind I have done some tweaks to have these extreme therapies balanced.

Not doing back to back days with the protocol. I have found a balance between actual connective tissue expansion and excessive fluid retention.
First day is with the Squisher protocol and for the second day I have introduced light jelqs and manual squeezes etc. for 15 minutes. Day third is for rest.
Also having now the maximum of 20 inHG with the cyclic cooldown pumping. With this I am getting similar expansion with less or no at all fatigue. Better recovery and EQ.
Still measuring MSEG t_3 of 18+ cm.

Exercises are producing significant expansion with tolerable water build up.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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