Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Kyrpa, your PE methodology sounds game-changing. I just wish there was a guide for dummies:) The thing that confuses me the most is the application of the US. Are you using US while hanging or stretching? I ask this because I stretch and hang using a sleeve, so it seems as I would only be able to use the device on the base up to the point of the sleeve. Or, am I supposed use the US until my unit is appropriately heated, then stretch or hang.

Please rellim505, read this great thread from the beginning. You will find your answers and others in it.

Good reading man!

I have also been applying this protocol for close to 15 weeks now. I think you should give it a little more time. At the start I wasn’t sure whether I was seeing changes or it was just fluctuation within the margin of measurement error. However, there is no doubt now. My cold t0 flaccid stretch has increased by half an inch, and my BPEL by around a quarter of an inch. I’m using an IR bulb + rice sock. Progress is not as fast as Kypra’s, but I’m happy with the results (compared to zero gains over the previous year via standard stuff). I stress/relax hang using a pulley under my desk and a clamp to lock the cable. This arrangement pretty much only allows for SO stretching. Weights that suit me are 1.5 - 2kg (conditioning) and 2.5 - 3kg strain (2 sets of 10 mins) with increments of 250g. I’ve had consistent strains in the range of 2.5 to 3.8%. I’ve been using the loose noose attachment method of sodium100mg (look on reddit). This method results in pretty much zero skin stretch and all strain transferred to internal tissues. Wouldn’t work for heavy hanging, but for these weight levels it works great.

Thank you rellim,

Some of It may sound like it for sure. But for me these things simply have come as a result of logical thinking that´s all.
Game-changing would be bold but if only someone gets to thinking what they are supposed to do is great already.

Few pages ago we were speaking of the US apply through the silicon sleeve. In theory it takes out some percentage from US intensity but only testing should tell if it works or not.

I never use US without introducing tension of some kind.

This is crucial. You have composed it to a perfection. Hanger setup can be be used as a stress relaxation device like you are doing. Beautiful.

Thanks Kyrpa for helping me out :)

Today I tweaked my approach and got some promising results from the session.
Here’s what I did (in detail!):
When putting on the vacuum cup and the silicone sleeve, I sealed all gaps where the air might potentially leak in. This includes the valve and both ends of the silicone sleeve. This is really important! The vacuum cup can slip and blisters can appear only if there is air inside the system. Seal it extremely tight!

Phase #1:
The initial force in the stress relaxation phase was 1.5kg (using an extender). Every 10 minutes when the traction had decreased a little, I tightened the screws more until I had reached 2kg. When the shaft didn’t give any more slack for 10 minutes, I moved to the heating phase. The first phase took 40 minutes.

By the way, when you think stress relaxation happens, make sure it’s not caused by a loose noose in the extender or any other system you use to produce the traction force.

Phase #2:
With ultrasound I used _plenty_ of gel and pressed the probe _firmly_ against the shaft. A cold(!) rice sock was supporting the shaft on the other side. I didn’t use aluminum foil or any other reflector. Only a small area of the shaft was being heated (2 times the radius of the probe).
8 minutes in, the shaft started to feel the burn. When that happened, I briefly paused the ultrasound and increased the extender traction to roughly 2.2kg and then continued with the ultrasound.
The burning sensation came back quickly and I paused whenever it became intolerable. Each pause was 10 to 20 seconds long. You can spend them increasing the traction and applying more gel. I continued this process until the 20 minute mark.

You shouldn’t hurry with this phase. Just like in phase #1, take your time.
If you are feeling intolerable burning, you are surely above 40c degrees. Then pausing the ultrasound is fine.
But keep your pauses relatively short (less than 30 seconds). The temperature in the shaft decreases rapidly.

Phase #3:
When the cooldown began, I simply stayed in the extender, made sure it stays firmly in place and won’t slip, and then increased the traction force. The traction was more than the lines in the extender rods could show, so I had to approximate. I’d say it was a little more than 3kg.
The noose of the extender actually helps to keep the vacuum sealed in high traction forces. The vacuum cup didn’t slip at all; therefore no glans pain or blisters. This last phase was super easy! 10 minutes of chilling. No manual stretching needed.

If you are going to use multi-kilogram traction forces with a vacuum cup on, I recommend putting a tight shoelace or something similar on top of the silicone sleeve to make absolutely sure it won’t leak. Same thing with the other end of the sleeve (the one wrapped over the cup). Also, find a way to block the vacuum valve.

Results:
Minimum of 2.7% strain. Possibly 3.2%, but I believe the glans had some temporary expansion because of the vacuum and the traction. I take the conservative estimate because I’m always skeptical.

The feeling in the shaft during the heating phase was purely the heat and the burning. No soreness.
After the session when I measured the strain, the feeling in the shaft was this unique mild tingling. It felt like I don’t want to stretch it any more, lol. It just felt sore in a good way. This feeling faded gradually during the first 15 minutes after the session.

My pleasure. Now adjusting the timing better fitting your case and by the experience you learn to play with the US not needing the pauses. There is a great chance of getting some gains repeating this. Just be cautious with the noose.

For the accuracy of measurement you can always take the measure from retroglandular sulcus behind the glans corona.

Yeah. In my setup the noose can’t apply force to a tiny surface area and cause strangulation because there is the thick silicone sleeve which spreads the force evenly to a wider area. Some of the pressure is actually applied to the cup. It’s not going to cause necrosis in 10 minutes.

Thanks, I’ll try that.

We already shared some some words privately about the time under US heat.

I have been very conservative on recommending to limit the time with US under 20 minutes.
This was because of the unknown territory. Now a after one year of use the picture is more clear.

Now that we are more experienced and from the 20 minutes we actually spend only half time above the 40 °C, it should be safe to increase the time if necessary.
Maybe in 5 minutes increments would be enough to make some difference.
With 1.6 w/ cm^2 intensity for sure and for more powerful units with care.

Hi Kyrpa,

You’ve mentioned the 3 stages of the workout.
-Conditioning stretch
-Ultrasound stretch
-Cooldown stretch.
Are you doing the conditioning stretch cold or using a rice sock or something to heat prior to the ultrasound?
During the ultrasound stretch are you keeping at a constant tension or trying to increase it during heating?
And I’m assuming we are cooling down at the max length achieved during heating? I am using a stretch relax style extender.
Many thanks for your help and documentation of your progress.

Why do you think it isn’t strong enough if it’s a 3MHz machine?

There is a spot I want to target on the left side of my shaft that’s been there since I can remember. I’ve got a vac hanger, 3lbs of weights, and a 1.5” OD bottle for a fulcrum.

My thinking is, I can do a 90° rotation clockwise bundle, have the targeted spot centered on the fulcrum, and heat with the US machine. What do you think of that?

I believe nerve damage is also a risk with the noose style attachment.

Hello Ramrod,

I have been doing the conditioning phase cold. For the beginning of the use of this method it is necessary because user should first find the threshold load.
No one should just copy the load or time them need to be sorted out for individual needs.
Once it has been found there is no reason not to use some for of heating application.

In fact I will introduce some sort of pre heating for my next to come lengthening period myself.
The heating cycle needs to be optimized as the temperature raise takes time.

I am using constant load during US heating phase and only adjusting it if necessary.

You got it. Maximal length. You need to be sure you can prevent any slippage occurring during.
In fixed length it may sometimes start to feel intolerably exhausting before the the end of the cooldown as the tension gets quite high.
This of course when you have managed to form major strain already during previous phases.
There crimping collagen forms such a great force.

Hello Mr.Oxford,

They are not listing the intensity anywhere so there is reason to believe that there is not enough for heating purposes.
These beauty salon focused ultrasound units usually have well under 1w/cm^2 intensity. Which is not enough for raising the temperature high enough.

I have used LEDT periodically in an attempt to expedite recovery and potentiate gains. There’s some interesting discussion of the theory over at PEGym: https://www.peg ym.com/forums/p … -led-light.html

I am interested in trying ultrasound treatments. I plan to read this thread in its entirety when I can schedule some time.

In the interim, are there any specific posts you can reference that summarize the content of the thread and where/how to purchase a suitable machine?