Gaining volume with Kyrpa

I am speechless, 10mm is sick!
Outstanding DocJ!!!!

Very sorry, my mistake, I do 25m US heat, I have incrementally increased the US heat period from 10, 15, 20, and now 25 over the last couple of weeks which seems to be the sweet spot for elongation so total workout time is 1:55m.

Thanks Mike! I am in disbelief myself. All I can say is Kypra’s methodology and US has been a game changer.

Excellent work DocJ!

I am very happy for your gains.

You are producing productive workouts that´s for sure. 9- 10 mm per workout has to be perfectly executed and maximal output it is that huge strain,

The overnight crimping of the collagen structure is completely normal and I am afraid trying to combat this natural thing could lead to hindering recovery.
Unless we either fail to produce gains on BPFSL or reflecting these gains on BPEL we should consider very carefully if we use ADS or not.
That been said Longerstretch is considering to use ADS and I am curious to see if he can produce better permanent gains rate with it.

I suspect you are right - the normal cycle of fiber behavior in the viscoelastic model I would believe has to play out to some degree for healing and new growth. I am going to continue this phase without ADS as I am continuing to gain in both BPFSL and BPEL. Maybe down the road do 1-2 hours of ADS and see if there is any difference.

Yes I will resume a new campaign on Friday. I agree with kyrpa the recrimping is normal and should be allowed. You (DocJ) are extending for a while after your session and I think this is ideal to further spur fibroblast mediated proliferation.

I think xeno had it right that a little ADS is better than none but a lot of ADS isn’t much better than a little. I will put this hypothesis to the test. It should be noted that even with my extended decon I’ve been actively trying to grow my dick for a long time. It’s highly probable that I might have to add some things that others do not to reach some threshold the body has before growth can occur or to optimize growth. I (/we) could just be doing the 3rd worst thing for growth and improvements are always to be sought.

Yes I have increased my hold time during and after cool down, which could be equated to a short ADS period and may be attributable to some increase in gains over the last couple of weeks. So hard to tell during such a short time period and changing more than one variable at once. Only time and documentation will tell. Thank you very much for commenting on my journey and looking forward to seeing how your new routine works.

Kyrpa!

My routine is warm up 5-10 min and then 10-20 min manual stretch whit constant heat from a rise pad that i warm up in my micro.
After stretching i pump 2-3 sets for 10 min each and 3,5-5 hg. Using heat from a elektric heating pad. I preheat my cylinder during my stretching so it’s hot when i start pumping.
My BPFSL change approx. 2-3 % compare before (cold) and after training.
What do you think about that?

Hi Pat,

First of all I think that getting up to 3% strain is lot of with the heat sources you are using. Pretty much the maximum there is to reach.

Pumping with the 2.0” cylinder I assume you still are using, with your girth is length orientated pumping mostly. Or how much do you pack at the moment?

Not knowing how hard you pull during the manual stretching or if you do bundled or fulcrum stretching in your routine I really can´t say much more.

Is there anything specific you would like to have my opinion?

Thank you for answer!

Inspired from your and others threads I have measured my pre and post BPFSL a couple of times and most often results is around 2,5%. I will start taking masseurs and document them more frequently to get some more exact numbers.

My 2’ cylinder is actually bigger and what should be 15,9 cm circumference is actually 16,9 cm. I pack around 2 inch so i guess it’s mostly girth oriented pumping.

Stretching mostly BTC or actually gripping my glans with V-grip from behind lying down and using my left or right cheeks as a fulcrum. I can hold my grip a long time but I like to switch hand after 2 min to let some blood in my glans. I guess i pull quite hard like 7-8 on a scale to 10.
I try to ease into the stretch as recommended here.
I have found this to be the most intense way to stretch and do it for a longer duration.
I’m going to develop my fulcrum skills in the future to get some new exercises to use.

If you could give me your opinion how to maximise my routine based on my prerequisites. Tips on heating, routine, rest days, deacon break…how would you do this without US.

I have now 8 month of PE behind me an I guess a longer deacon could be a good thing.
My goal is 8x6 and that means approx 2 cm length and 0,5 cm girt. Length is what I desired most if I have to choose.

I would be most grateful for your help whit this.

Kyrpa,

Have you been responding to the bundled stretching. I have using it for the last couple of weeks and seem to be responding well to it for now. I have not kept good girth records but I have a hard time even getting into the 1.75” tube without a lot of lube.

Thanks for your feedback.
It works really fine with ultrasound heat. The expansion is great with pumping afterwards and the fluid retention is really minute.
I will give a better report soon before I switch to the length work again.

These cylinders manufacturers seems to be so outdated on what is actually happening in the user market.
Or they are just ignorant fuckers and don´t care. If their products are not what they should be what else can we say. I have had my personal issues with them already.

Yes,you have enough room left to consider it to be girth orientated exercise.

About the heating methods. Manko007 has tested infrared lamb to rise the urethral temperature to 100°F ( 37.8°C) in ten minutes going further I recall never exceeding the 104°F (40°C).
He has also demonstrated popular infrared pad to rise the urethral temperature to ~ 97.5°F (36.3°C) in 10 minutes and up 105°F (40.5°C) in 20 minutes.

With ultrasound both me and him have demonstrated several times to be able to reach 105°F (40.5°C) in just minutes under application.
Peak temperatures being up to 43-44°C .
There is no doubt which being the superior heating method. US is in the another league and all others should be used as a secondary heat source.
If I have the willing to try then I could test the rice sock effect to the urethral temperature. Haven´t tested but I have some doubts that the skin temperature of 45 °C will never reflect in to urethral temperature enough to bring it above the 40 °C.
The penis is the great cooling devise by its nature.

Studies say that rising temperature up 4 - 6 °C brings more elasticity to the stretched tissues. This is happening with you also.
Going further the magic starts to happen after 40 °C when the therapeutic heat starts to cause plastic deformation on collagen.
This thermal deformation is causing permanent lengthening on tissues. Some percentage of the elongation reached during the heat never reverses back to the previous length.
Continuing to do this after few exercises we are getting longer penises. There is the magic.

These things have been brought in to these PE communities almost two decades ago but not appreciated enough.

What comes to resting I would suggest everyone to rest as much their heads allows them to do. There is no need to work everyday with the method you are using. You are the one who can say the accurate rest days count.
For me pumping causes more need for rest than stretching orientated length work ever .

Your routine is pretty much what Marinera prefers to be the ideal in manual stretching.
Keep doing it as you described with going really slow in to maximal tension and stay there for quite some time.

If you can add more angles to it is the next step. Personally I prefer to stretch north-west and north-east towards the hips with the V-grip
I can anchor my fist against the hip bone and if necessary keep the stretch as long as I like.

Concerning the force used I would say you are using the pretty much the same level of force I am using also.
This being more force than you are using during pumping makes me think if it is necessary at that point.
If you consider the stretching being the main exercise then it is correct.

Maybe heating more and longer, stretching with a lightly lower force and raising the vacuum pressure slightly is the tip I would suggest if you prefer the pumping being you main exercise.

If you can make the fulcrum out of rice sock it would be nice one. There was an old tip of sewing the sock heads forming a circle out of it is a clever one. You can slip your shaft through the hole in the middle.

Capernicus1 asked if I would like to test bundled stretches with ultrasound prior pumping.
I did and it really is effective. If you want to pack the cylinder before you step forward with another approach, I would suggest you to give it a try with the heat sources you have in your disposal.

I have started to get a lot of questions about everything and I try my best to bring something to the table.
I am humbled and appreciate all the respect given by asking my opinion.

I don´t think anything has changed much concerning effectiveness of the conventional pumping methods them selves.
What pumping experts like Tittleist and company say about pumping is valid information.

What I would bring as a extra is the conditioning before the pumping. Using heat aided stretching exercises prior the pumping.
Also the high pressure pumping procedures should need some re-thinking.

If the tips does not bring anything new I would go for decon. In fact if you are not changing anything then short decon is about the time to start soon if you are not gaining with the procedure you run at the moment.

And I also happen to have ultraviolent cow .

Forgive me :)