Gaining volume with Kyrpa

We need to educate our selves using these kind of techniques.
This link is the one I think gives the most clear view on if the cavitation or micro-streaming ever occurs in our application.
I emphasize both to be the most likely sources for any negative effects US use may produce.
I am quite convinced that they are not the risk we should be concerned, being very unlikely to be to worried about in therapy form we have started.

If someone still not convinced about the safety then he should use it having 4 days of rest between the applications.
It is the time needed for non-mitochondrial cellular damages to heal.
If we use the transducer stationary keeping it focused in one spot for extended times those may start to occur.
If the damages happen at the mitochondrial level more time is needed and some portion could be irreversible.

Review of Therapeutic Ultrasound: Biophysical Effects | Physical Therapy | Oxford Academic

This thread is very long and I will have to read through it all, but could someone possibly point to the area or simply summarize the theory on how to choose off days? I know that there are larger cycles such as 6 weeks on 6 weeks off. But there are also subcycles such as 3 days on 1 day off. I was just curious how to decide what protocol to use.

Cliff note version, 3 on / 2 off and/or 2 on / 1 off and don’t fret if a couple more days off are needed or happen.

Also, intensity levels very slightly between 1 and 3 MHz units.

The routine is softly/gently pre stretch for 30 min (an extender is ideal), then 20 minutes of US stretch, then a 10 minute cool down cycle stretch.

6 week cycle followed by 3-6 Decon.

And that is missing a bunch of info… just a rough Cliff note version prior to reading this thread…. start at page one.

Ok thanks Mike. Does that include if you are not experiencing any soreness or other apparent indicators of need for recovery? Were the daily scheduling guidelines arrived at via empirical results analysis or were they principally arrived at via theory?

This 3 on 2 off has come from the observing PI´s and the results from stretching. I can not take more than three days of stretching in row. It is simply too much for my unit to bear with these methods. Two days of rest is the minimum I need for recovery. Sometimes I take more rest days if I feel so. It has been working well. Now I am going with 2 +2 to find if it is even better to workout less. There is no theory behind.

The larger cycle which I have called Period is more complicated but again free of any pretentious theories. PE is full of made up theories which are full of you know what already,
This is all based on progress. You can find several posts describing it in text and graphs more detailed but the core is this:

1, Measuring pre workout BPFSL,Measuring post- exercise BPFSL . Continuing with 3+2 workout cycles with stretching orientated work as long as the post-BPFSL continues to lengthen,
2. When the strain starts to diminish post -BPFSL not growing anymore switching to girth orientated work, only repeating the achieved length not trying to elongate anymore. This have happened twice at 45 days mark and latest was earlier at 30 something days.
3, Continue with girth work to consolidate gains . The diameter is just another dimension of the volume we are growing and it triggers the growth response not stressing longitudinal tissues that much. . Doing this until 65-70 days.
4. Going for a break or continue the girth work. I prefer the break.
5. Taking break from heavy stretching based length work for minimum of couple of few weeks.
The first break was maybe three weeks total rest. Second one I recall being 8 weeks off from stretching with 2-3 weeks of total rest. Latest break from length work was three months with 5 +19 days of total rest. I keep on increasing the break as the journey continues.

If I have managed to write it all down the way I wanted it to be read you will find no or at least very few theories.
Pragmatic continuing process based on methodological practicality, observations and logical correlations based on them.

It is described more scientifically in my signature.

Those details are covered by Kyrpa in the thread way better then I would even attempt to answer.

As for soreness, because the US heat induced routine is done with what I would call, light weight/strain, I never had anything close to soreness and was able to have solid EQ shortly after a full routine.

Kyrpa explains the details thoroughly… and I am not nearly qualified to attempt re-wording what he has done perfectly.

Good luck and don’t be shy with your questions.

Mike is right with the soreness being a fraction of what it would be without the US heat. For me the EQ was at the start with five days routines and not all workouts heated that bad there was no need to have sex same day. Now with three days of US heated workouts the EQ is just fine every day and really good on resting days.

This is one of the core elements on using threrapeutic heat the damage in the tissues is very low and relative to the given elongation minuscule.

Ok thanks. Right now I am just using PP at very high tension (maximum to get the device on plus rotating it so it gets even longer over time) for a couple hours a day with I hope is pretty good heat from a heating pad wrapped in blanket to maximize heat. I’m not getting any soreness or negative PIs, though, so I am wondering if it would be better to do 5/2 or something. Or rather just only take breaks when experience some PIs. US is coming in the mail.

Sentii,

I bumped your progress report thread… There are some things I’d like to say… ask… based on your above post but this thread isn’t the place.

Despite getting consistent 3-4% strain with my workouts, my pre workout BPFSL1 has stalled, with no gains for one month. I have been going since August 1 this year, and have taken one two week decon in October to heal my glans, I think it is time for me to take a longer decon break. I want to do girth work during this time, but not at the expense of letting things heal so that I can resume in 6 weeks to start again and hopefully continue to grow in length. My question is, some - Capernicus1 and Kyrpa, have been experimenting doing US warm up bundled stretches prior to girth work. Is this reasonable considering we want to allow things to completely heal in length, or is this counterproductive? My plan is to do clamping/edging/jelquing either under light tension or no tension with US heat in both cases. To do or not to do the pre-stretch bundled warm ups before is the question. I know we are all here still trying to figure out what works best in this epic thread, but wanted to know what you all think? Thanks for your feedback.

Capernicus1 has been longer on bundled stretching and I would also like to hear his thoughts on this.
Especially how much he thinks the stress load being this gives for the length associated portions of the shaft.
For me this gives whole lot a new feeling, bundled stretching stress causing after workout soreness felt mostly at dorsal side.
In the way no other exercise has done. And particularly with the heat not as much when doing it cold.
This can be associated with the feature I have the restricting “cord” on the dorsal side. I can locate it being the dorsal thickening , upper triangular formation of septum complex.

This is my take on your situation. You need to take a break on length work like you said.
I would say you shouldn´t go for bundled stretching at this point.
You have stalled with the elongation so like you said you shouldn´t stress longitudinal elements too much.

What you would need is to do girth work eliminating the length element as much as you can.
What you can try is clamping not 100% erect. Clamp the lets say 70- ?% erection and make the extra pressure pushing / pressing the unit from the glans against the clamped base while heating with US. When you jelq concentrate on pressure inside not stretching the unit.
Doing it two handed your glans inside the loosely closed fist forming pressurized balloon between your hands with every stroke.
I am sure you can find ways doing girthwork not stressing the longitudinal tunica at 100%.

Then take full rest for some time before going with bundled stretching combined girthwork or back to the lengthwork.

The whole another aspect is that you have now repeated your present maximal length for a whole month.

That would mean that you have consolidated BPFSL gains at this point and going for full recovery mode is an option as well.

I can understand you are aspiring for producing the potential BPEL gains with the girthwork before?.

Thank you Kyrpa! This is exactly what I wanted to hear. I will try this for now and see how it goes for a while. Back to length work March 1. Hoping at that time, as Longerstretch puts it ” cheap and easy gains” as I got when I started this back in August. Wishing all of you a happy holidays and prosperous new year. Doc J

Thank you. And for you as well. Enjoy the rest of the year as much as you like. You are on the good way Doc.

Temperature and application is going to be very vital here extremely vital in fact, like seriously a developed technique has to be applied, cells plaster at around 41.5 degrees, if your member goes 8 degrees over your core body temperature its over if you go over 10 seconds of application, cells and nerves start dieing, and by intervals of contact. That’s not even factoring factory faults in equipment, frequency, resonance, area of contact, immune system responses, types of collogen, the bright side is if you can maintain that 4 degree change its actually quite healthy and at 8min applications here is a application chart

Degree change 4 = 10min application
Degree change 5 = 3min
6=50sec
7=20sec
8=10sec
9=9sec
10=6sec
11=4sec
12=3sec
13=2sec
14=1sec
15=1sec

Anything over the application to degree Celsius ratio to core tempreture example, core tempreture is 37 degrees Celsius plus 6 degrees Celsius will yield a 50sec application anything over this will start cellular degregation

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