Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Excellent and great idea! I think that would help to clear up much of the newbie to US confusion. You’re the perfect one to write this as well!

Has anyone considered shockwave therapy to potentially enhance at least girth gains when used in conjunction with girth exercises? I heard it promotes angiogenesis and I suspect we could do it at home with machines purchased online.

Hi Kyrpa (and Manko007 and Longerstretch if you’re reading this),

So really, a big thanks to all of you guys that have posted your experiences and lessons learned with ultrasound – it’s super interesting and informative, and seems like it could be the breakthrough I need. I’ve read through part of your thread, all of Manko007’s and the relevant part of the dorsal thickening thread, have learned loads and made copious notes…

So I’m now planning to integrate ultrasound into my routine in January, and I’m now making up my routine for then, trying to glean as much as I can from all you guys to do that. From what I have gleaned from your experience(s) that I think I’d like to integrate are:

- Get an US device, preferably both 1 and 3MHz to have varying capability, capable of at least 2 W/cm2.
- Stress-relaxation in extender for 45-60 mins is very beneficial prior to US.
- US workout to be geared towards length or girth, depending on the BPEL vs BPFSL difference (where the girth routine tends to deliver length anyway)
- 3 days on, 2 days off, seems to work well.
- Probably something like 1 month length, 1 month girth, 1 month decon, but based on pre and post-workout BPFSL measurements. When BPFSL gains stop and/or when BPEL/BPFSL start to come closer together, move on to girth.
- IC/BC kegels are really important to maintain EQ and can also help deal with premature ejaculation – these have both been an issue for me since doing PE, and probably due to lengthening of the shaft that has somehow compromised relative IC muscle volume, with consequences for EQ.

I didn’t want to ask stuff that is already evident in the previous threads, but outstanding issues in my mind to resolve are:

1. Waterproofing of the US device, how essential is it? I’m thinking of getting this one: https://trimbio .co.uk/enraf-no … s-590-unit.html - it’s a reconditioned unit that will do both 1 and 3 MHz and up to 2 W/cm2. But not waterproof. But probably good enough I’m thinking?

2. My girth routine needs disentangling in my head. My BPFSL is around at least ¾” longer than BPEL (has been like that for a while), so I think I should start with girth routine. But I was getting a bit overwhelmed about what I should try out. For length routines, I get it – you stress-relax with extender, then you add weight/force and use US while it’s in this stressed state, after which you do manual stretches which take BPFSL further. With girth routines though, I can see there is a bit of a mish-mash of stuff – I can see some use of US when clamped, but we also there are some US stretched sessions incorporated I think. So going back to the logic, still a good idea to use the extender to stress-relax to get rid of elastic stretch, then we want to heat the shaft with US but ideally during the work done… but what work? We have a choice here, either we use US with weight/force pull (over fulcrum) as with length routine, after which we go into the clamping/pumping routine straight after, or we incorporate US into the actual clamping routine…. Thing is, my girth expansion routine is super effective without US already (I’m using Xeno’s contraptions like the Tiger Trap, and 2 mins of that followed by 5 mins of cycled high pressure pumping, times 3 sets, gets me huge expansion) - I’m not sure I want to add 10 mins clamping to each set, I think that will end up being too long with the TT work). So really just wondering what your gut feeling is about just heating shaft with US while stretched over fulcrum prior to the TT/pump routine? Potentially could repeat each time before going into the TT I guess, since tissues would cool down in between. I suppose the only way to know for sure is to try it out and measure before/after for both….

Thanks for any pointers.

I have made a plan the shockwave being my bailout from PE when the time comes. So it is on the bucket list already. There is enough trusted info from DIY shockwavers to entitle the decision from ED / EQ point of view. Like you suggested in conjunction with the gith work.

Thanks waterman,
And props for taking notice on the principles you just wrote.

The concept is there already and what you need is to adapt it into your environment.

One thing I would add on your list and emphasize the BPEL / BPFSL difference having more in it.
What we are looking more carefully is the BPFSL after workouts. When the post exercise length is not increasing anymore then the countdown for the change starts. After repeating the new maximal BPFSL for few workouts the actual BPFSL measured in rest can still develop for few days, but the change will be inevitable.
We are looking for the strain achieved in workouts and when the strain start to diminish we are closing the changing time.

There is a lots of stuff in your post so let´s look in to the ultrasound questions:
1. The waterproof feature comes a must if you are going to use the US underwater. It is possible to apply US using the water as a carrier for the waves transducer not touching your shaft. This way it should be possible to adjust the penetration dept of the beam. But there is a way to use non -waterproof US under water putting the device inside the condom for instance.
Using normally with the gel the waterproofness is not an issue.

2. Having that much difference on BPEL and BPFSL already and having that for some time , could indicate that it is not likely to have a jumpstart on length gains.
But who knows as the heating does a lot of difference. Some guys have benefited a lot with conventional heating methods already and now with the US it is possible to take a another level with thermal effects on collagen deformation.

I like the way you are composing the US based heating program of yours.
If you are making progress with the TT and related stuff then you would be a fine student for the development of the US used as a catalyst in girth work. Stretching the tunica elasticity off and heating vigorously before going in to the TT.
At the moment I would suggest to heat the shaft with US during bundled stretch. That would be my choice prior the TT.

This is my opinion but if you are gaining girth at the moment then stay with it for a month after you have finished your present length campaign. Then take a decon before the next length campaign. How would that sound to you?

I have just read the last few pages of this thread so excuse me if..

What about shockwave therapy? I just stumbled across this home use device from Launch Medical

https://www.get myrocket.com/ho … iate_id=2010308

Anybody have any opinion experience with this or the clinical treatment using shockwave?

Hi Kyrpa

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Good to have your gut feeling on the US with stretch prior to TT, also on the waterproofing thing. I think you might be right, probably won’t get much in the way of length gains, but as you say I’ve never done US before, so who knows. Also I realise now that measuring regularly post-workout is really important - before it had been the case of not really measuring much, more like to avoid disappointment perhaps. But it’s going to be key to getting feedback and adjusting the routine to keep it effective.

On reflection, I think what I’ll probably do is to start at the beginning - I’m on a short decon break right now over the Christmas break, and had being doing lots time in traction in the PMP extender before which had been mixed together with girth work, so I’m thinking maybe what I should do is to start with a length cycle, then girth, then decon. Seems it might be a logical progression to see where the baseline is regarding length and how/if US affects it first. It will also give me a chance to start working on my IC/BC muscles in preparation for the girth part later (I’m thinking of getting a specific IC TENS machine to help kick start this).

So for crafting out the initial length routine, it might look as follows:

Days 1, 2 (inflammation):
• Measure BPFSL t0.
• 45 – 60 mins extender, stress relaxation. Measure BPFSL t1.
• 20 mins with vac extender over leg/fulcrum with 2-4 kg weight, using US to heat shaft in 4 sections. Do together with rice sock & aluminium. Measure BPFSL t2.
• 12 mins manual stretching using Power Assist, different angles. Measure BPFSL t3. Calculate strain (aiming for 2.5%+ strain).
• (Needed? Up to 60 mins with around 2-2.5 kg using vac extender. Would I used US again in this case? Measure BPFSL t4 to see if any gain or not.)
• Extender or belt for 4-8 hours.

Day 3 (proliferation):
• Measure BPFSL t0.
• 45 – 60 mins extender, stress relaxation. Measure BPFSL t1.
• 20 mins with vac extender over leg/fulcrum with 2-4 kg weight, using US to heat shaft in 4 sections. Do together with rice sock & aluminium. Measure BPFSL t2.
• Up to 60 mins with around 2-2.5 kg using vac extender. Would I used US again in this case? Measure t3. Calculate strain (aiming for 2.5%+ strain).
• Extender or belt for 4-8 hours.

Days 4, 5 (recovery – shaft should be warm and sore):
• Measure BPFSL
• No use of extender.
• Angion 2.0 x 20 mins.
• Maybe some edging 10 mins minimum.

All days:
• 3 sets of kegels targeting IC left, IC right, BC (12, 10, 8 reps) – keep it stretched between contractions, do over hand as fulcrum).
• Electro stimulation for BC and IC – every day 30 mins, varying positions.

Why the 3rd day session is different from day 1 and 2?

Basically I can see you are having the protocol based on IPR environment added with lots of volume due ADS.
It reminds me of the early protocol of mine. Since then I have gone apart with the IPR ideology. Using the therapeutic heat and reduced hours you may find there are no signs of any inflammation left and still gaining, It is a different animal to what Xenolith rode at his prime.
That said I still see the potential with TT and the US induced heat and many more applications there have been.

Take look on longerstretch practices as he have been balancing on the verge of using ADS or not. I have not used it and my total hours are a fraction of yours.
If you keep it you may need to cut it down a lot. If you manage to use the heat properly you end up having quite a different situation what you have used to.
You may need to tune your thinking the way the heated extender and the Power assist stretch and the cool down extender are the core and everything else is secondary.

You don´t need the second heating session per workout. You can have that 60 minutes extender set as a cool down stretch.
Using the aluminium foil the connection between skin and the foil must be filled with the conductive medium, no air is allowed between.
At least one day without any activities is needed and better if there is two.

Once you add these weighted or otherwise resisted kegels and electrostimulation daily in to your already stressful protocol , you may end up having overworked muscles. So maybe you should do them every other day only or twice a week. Since you train these muscles properly keep the electro stimulation very light, just to stimulate the nervous system in healing fashion not exhausting it.

Because of the IPR basis.

Inflammation , heavy stretching for breaking new ground
Profileration , more like keeping new ground.

With this practice there is more time for healing from the heaviest exercises too. Very much the same I started with.

Super useful info, I think this is really the benefit of asking you guys this kind of stuff before embarking on this, if it’s really that different I guess I won’t really experience what you’re talking about until I try it. I think I’ll ditch the hours in the extender then and see how I get on.

OK good to know, will keep the second weighted vac extender part as cool down without any heating. Good point about the kegels routine, will reduce to a few days a week. I suspect if US is as intense as you say, that this will end up being naturally what I’d do anyway.

All good info, thanks.

There are interests we can see it. But there is also a lot of threads already discussing these matters so maybe you should start from there instead.

One other thing that comes to mind when using US, is how close to your balls you’re able to get? I guess without a conductive gel and US head in direct contact, there is no risk. I’m thinking this because you’ll be heating your whole shaft right down to the root presumably, which gets a bit close doesn’t it?

Sentii , Did you ever get any feed back from your question. Any thoughts on the Launch Medical rocket device? Its quite expensive!

Thanks, will do