Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Interesting topic. LEDT could be nicely added to this concept also. Anything that promotes the proliferation and healing would be welcomed.

I am sorry but there might be more active searchers for equipment than me.
For what seems to be ideal is 2.0 w/cm^2 intensity machine with both 1MHz and 3MHz frequency.
Minimum is 1.6 w/cm^2 1MHz.

There is hundred posts already about the equipment and the ultrasound. Also the principles used in my concept are shown many times.

There is so much posts and pages that I have been thinking about the possibility of making separate index in another thread.

Here is some of the posts which might lead you in what is going down here.

Visco elastic behaviour of the penis
Visco elastic behavior of the penis

Some words on heat
Heat of the moment

Ultrasound for therapeutic heat 1
Ultrasound for penile therapeutic temperatures

Ultrasound for therapeutic heat 2
Ultrasound heating for penile therapeutic temperature part 2

Period 3 wrap-up
Period 3 (P3) wrap up

One year wrap-up
Kyrpa - Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Load - Strain Graph
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Mr. Oxford, exactly what Kyrpa has said.

Mercuryarms good to hear you are getting strain. Have you taken a decon recently? I found even with these methods the plateau would come and even if I pushed through and was achieving good strain, no new gains occurred.

The only information I can find on it is 24VDC output, and Google won’t spit out a conversion calculator to get it to w/cm2.

Ok I’m back. I had a few weeks off because my glans was getting to beat up and needed to rethink my future of PE. My phase 1 was originally going be to 3 months but it got cut short from injury. Despite this, I was able to hit my goal of 2cm in 10 weeks BPFSL1 of 180mm at week 1 to BPFSL2 at week 10 of 200mm. Considering I had gained zero for an entire year prior to starting US, I’m ecstatic. So heres what I have learned.

Vacuum Based Attachment Devices
I won’t go into the details of what I did and didn’t do - I experimented alot - but I’ve come to the conclusion that my glans is just too sensitive to achieve the desired force for the desired time following Kyrpa’s routine. I got a couple of bad blisters and in general lots of bruising.

Bib Hanger Hardcore
Worked great, and in fact I thought this was the holy grail of fixation but after time, I got a ring of bruising around the tip of my glans and my girlfriend freaked out. She doesn’t know I do PE. I took 3 weeks off after 10 weeks of Phase 1 and just started back last week.

Size Genetics “noose/strap” JES type extender
I’ve gone back to my old system that I used for many years, but when I stopped gaining way back when, I stopped using the SG and experimenting with other devices.
I’m really excited using this, because I get no bruising or damage at all. The downside, is that I can only get 2kg of force, which is less than what I was getting with what I listed here above. I was skeptical, but despite this, I’m gaining again and have gone past my prior 200mm record to 202mm over the last 2 sessions so it is working. In fact I got over 4% elongation and considering there has been no swelling of the glans as with bib or vacuum, it is a true gain because I felt that sometimes if I got swollen it was giving me false measurements. So heres how it goes:
30 minutes no heat precon with silicon tube at max force. This gives me about 3-4mm of gain. Then I remove and reapply for 10 more minutes with US at maximum force once again. I then take the silicon tube off, and put the strap on. I wrap with coban adhesive wrap right before the glans and over the glans in strips to create a stop or widening at the end of my penis made out of the wrap. I will then do manual stretching with US, particularly fulcruming, using the wrap as a grip to allow fantastic no slip manual exercises in any direction . After this is done, then I place the strap of the SG at max force once again, on the wrap right before the widened part so it wont slip and it is comfortable and wear it during cool down for 1 hour. For me, this extra fixation after and during the cool down period I think is going to work well for me. Time will tell, I will keep you posted of my progress.

The moral of the story is that US works without a doubt to help us all achieve seriously real gains. We all have to experiment with and learn how we each react to the method of fixation we choose so that we are able to run a similar protocol to what Kyrpa has started here for us. That is, precon, US heat, cool down stretches/fixation. He’s done the homework and research for us, you too Manko, we just have to try to follow, see how things go and modify as needed.

Till the next time, Doc J

You are doing great job adapting the concept fitting in your environment. Most satisfying for me reading your synopsis is the fact you have been able to reduce the load and keep on gaining. Congrats once again Doc.

These to me are the key features of the concept, to find the threshold load, adjust the timing and optimize the heat cycle.
Maximizing the intensity of the workout without traditional concept of progressive training.

We are concentrating on intensity of the workout and the outcome of the exercise.
We are not looking for accumulation of working hours or progressive increase on loading.

I think the key for me continuing to gain with lighter weight, and you have pointed this out many times, is the effectiveness of manual stretching. Since the JES/SizeGenetics type extenders by design are limited in force generation - the manufacturer advertises 2800g, but I suspect it is around 2kg (I don’t believe the force reading marks on the spring chambers are accurate) and I’m not able to use an inline digital scale to verify as I have been with prior setups. So my manual stretching is replacing your US heated 6kg 10 min each side active phase. The wrap technique I have developed allows me to grip really well. Not sure how much force, but I am sure it is at least at the 6kg mark. Manual stretching has been a new territory for me, even though I have been doing PE for many years. I have a very tapered shape penis and it was always hard to get a good grip without slippage. Now with the tape its a game changer in manual exercises. I have also increased my US heat time at 2.0W 3MHz to 25 minutes which I think provides great viscoelasticity to facilitate the plastic deformation. Capernicus1 told me about using water with the vacuum setup to reduce trauma to the glans, sounds like he was having similar issues and this helped. I’m looking forward to experimenting with this.

You are on the run for gains. It is obvious.

I am sure you meant 3kg , not “US heated 6kg 10 min each side active phase” , because that is what I use for heated phase.
I may have repeatedly pointed out the thing you mentioned as it has been really crucial for me. Sounds really minute the 1mm additional elongation from manual stretching but as long as it have been coming the post exercise BPFSL has been gaining.

I have tried the water filled vacuum cup also. Though at this stage my glans have been conditioned to tolerate 2 - 4 kg loads with 15-20 in HG vacuum inside and is filling the chamber completely.

Thank you so much Kyrpa, that is very helpful information. I really appreciate it.

Yes, my mistake, I my brain was thinking in pounds. Thanks so much Kyrpa for your support, time, and this epic thread of your US PE movement.

Anybody out there try the Jelq rollers I’ve been seeing advertised on PE gym? LG hanger also makes one out of machined aluminum. Looks like a good idea, especially after US heat therapy, but may cause too much trauma compared to manual jelqing.

I had a 3 month decon break (no PE at all) just before I started to play with ultrasound 3 to 4 weeks ago. I’m yet to see any permanent gains.

Hmm perhaps another decon is due and then when you come back increase the weight of the heated portion.

After having 18 - 19 days off from PE duties I was eager to continue with girth work.

Despite the fact I have not been able to purchase or produce necessary equipment for bringing the heat cycle upper level.
Anyways knowing that going with length I would need that 60-70 days of clear view ahead.
As there are risk of interruptions for the run it was decided to postpone the next lengthening period (P4).

Now the interesting thing is the bundled stretches used as a conditioning practice prior the main exercise.
Using ultrasound heat during the bundled stretches is beneficial and makes significant difference.
Not talking about of any numbers at this point but few aspects have already popped out.

Twisting the shaft 360 degrees and stretching the bundle with a 2 kg load it starts to be uncomfortable quite soon.
Going for more degrees on angle the skin starts to hurt badly .

It is known that both thermal and non-thermal effects of the ultrasound can work as a light analgesic.
By the feel the temperature probably raises at the same level as when stretching normally with the US.
Can´t confirm because obviously there is no chance on twisting the thermocouple inside the urethra as it could cause injuries.

The bundled stretched penis shows signs of stress relaxation under tension heated with US.
It is comfortable to stretch this way and allows (in my case) to go even beyond the 360 degrees twist after few minutes.

To study the effectiveness of the exercise as a conditioning stretch I have chosen to go simple as possible with the rest of the exercise.

After 25 minutes of bundled heated stretches I continue with 10 minutes of cyclical pumping with 2.215” (54mm) diameter cylinder.
Limiting the top pressure at 20 inHG vacuum. Cylinder is warmed under hot water or in the oven prior introduction.
During the set cylinder is buried inside rice socks heated in microwave oven.
I have installed cushioned stopper inside the chamber for restricting the elongation during the pumping.
Therefor I can get maximal efforts on just radial expansion using the Poisson effect.

As a cool down I remove the stopper and continue with 10 minutes continuous pumping with 5- 7 inHG vacuum.

2.125 cylinder of course. >Typo

November Progress Update: Consistent increase in Strain %

Thought I would post an update from the last two weeks. I took a couple weeks off mid October to let my glans heal, and after the break both BPFSL1 and BPFSL2 decreased by 2mm when I started up again November 1. However, I’ve gained it back and made my November goal of 196mm BPFSL1 (resting pre-workout).

Of particular excitement, the last two weeks, my average daily strain increased has improved to 4.20%. What have I been doing different?

First, I have been focusing more on development of manual stretching, particularly fulcrum stretches. In addition to Manko and Kyrpa’s discussion here on the topic, I was reading Longerstetches post and his summary of what he has attributed his phenomenal gains over the years and it seems to be a common thread of many TP PE consistent gainers.

Second, I have increased my fixation time to a total of one hour during cool down. I think this allows the fibers to stay organized in their elongated state after the workout. So to summarize my current routine which has produced the consistent increase in strain%:

30m - pre-con approx 2kg cold fixed stretch with Size Genetics w/noose attach no wrap.
<<remove and reapply SG at max tension 2kg>>
10m - US heat
<<remove SG, apply Coban wrap to create tapered grip right before glans to facilitate manual grip>>
15m - US heat, various stretching including fulcrum. Still practicing with various methods,
05m - Cool down stretches
45m - Reapply SG with Strap (I removed the noose) and grip right behind glans on the Coban wrap - it doesn’t slip at all.
TOTAL workout time: 1:45m

OBSERVATIONS:
After cold pre-con I gain 5mm
After US heat, stretching, and cool down stretches I gain approximately another 5mm for a total of 10mm.
My workout is from 6am - 7:45am, measuring my BPFSL1 right before bed, is at 197-8mm (vs.195-196mm the following morning), so overnight there is an additional “reorganization” of collagen fibers producing 2mm decrease, to put me back to my am BPFSL1 pre-workout numbers. From this,may consider doing an hour of ADS in phase 3, but for now I continue to gain so I’m keeping things as is.

Till next time, Doc J