Gaining volume with Kyrpa

First of all great to hear from such a veteran that you have found new flame for your endeavours.

My background comes from mechanical engineering tied closely to medical field. I have worked developing manufacturing methods and material testing procedures. Because of this I have had to get some basic knowledge from many fields of medicine and material technics. I spend 22 years studying human physiology and chemistry involved with bodybuidling. For the substances used my involvement goes way beyond regular user.
In fact I first introduced myself properly to these kind of forums, when trying to figure out the GH and IGF-1 use in BB way back.

My approach has been developing along the way and still is. Coming back to PE , I spend first three months exploring TP and other forums as well, read all the referenced studies. Then went deeper on physics, anatomy and medical knowledge involved in all kind of collagenous properties and beyond.

I got back to the source so to speak and made my own interpretation of the basics. Read the guys who were inspiring Xenolith for instance.
And this was the starting point for the on going experiment, I might be spending 30 hours a month on exercising and 100 hours exploring, studying and analyzing.

There would be more big gainers if practitioners were taking measurements and put up charts to analyze them for finding any causalities. Some of them early gainers surely did but never published any. The early explorers long gone the majority is now just copying and generalizing stuff, and I am afraid this may have lead to overall reduction of the gains and will continue to do so until nobody gain no more. This is studied in many fields of life and outcome for such a behaviour is obvious.

I have found passion to be student of PE and I prefer to stay one, nothing more. I can recommend it to everyone as it could be rewarding.

I suppose I could get back to procedures with pics, publicly I am not so sure as I haven´t posted a picture at once yet. Publicly said that I will post pics when reaching the goals.

During Period 3 (60 days so far)
BPEL 21.4cm ->22.1 +0.7cm
BPFSL 22.7 cm->23.9 +1.2 cm
MSEG* 14.8 cm->14.93 +0.1 cm
*Documented mseg is average from base (15.7), midshaft (14.8.) and behind the glans girth (14.3) for more accurate volume calculation.

Continued to experiment and did more pumping. Searching some limits.
Heated pumping tend to cause significant fluid retention behind the glans and is further increased with squisher if initially developed.
Next cycle heated pumping should be done with 5 in HG pressure.

Behind the glans and mid shaft girth are coming back to its previous best. Next cycle will be interesting if I can push further with hopefully arrival cylinder.
Expansion is huge but don´t really know what to expect as I keep to fail for achieving high enough temperatures while clamping. I need to figure that out.
Have not used rice sock yet but maybe I start to use it as well.

US is applied dorsally targeting the heat for ventral thickening and the ventral edge of the septum where the intra-cavernous pillars are attached.
Ventral side should be the easiest portion of the circular layer of the tunica to elongate circumferentially.

Clamp Squisher needs modification as the anchoring fork needs further reaming as it is too narrow.

P3 BPEL and BPFSL continue to develop in line with P1 and P2 results.

Day 1
Conditioning stretch 2kg 30min.
Stress Relaxation pump 48mm, longitudinally restricted at 190 mm, 5 inHG 2x10min
Stress Relaxation heated pump 48mm, 7 inHG 2x10min

Baseline MSEG 14.8 cm

Day 2
Stress Relaxation

Conditioning stretch 2kg 30min.
Conditioning pump 48mm, longitudinally restricted at 190 mm, 5 inHG 3x10min
Conditioning Heated pump 48mm, longitudinally restricted at 205 m, 7 inHG 15min

Circumference Stretch

Clamp Squisher compression 5min US heat baseline compression.
Clamp Squisher Cyclic compression 5min 30sec max compressions

Baseline MSEG 14.8 cm
Initial MSEG-clamp freely 15.4 cm (pre squish)
Squished Clamp MSEG 17.3 cm

Day 3

Stress Relaxation

Conditioning pump 48mm, longitudinally restricted at 190 mm, 5 inHG 3x 10min
Conditioning Heated pump 48mm, longitudinally restricted at 205 m, 7 inHG 10min

Circumference Stretch

Clamp Squisher compression 5min US heat baseline compression.
Clamp Squisher Cyclic compression 5min 30sec max compressions
Manual Cyclic Squish 5min 30 sec max compressions with cock ring.

Baseline MSEG 14.8 cm
Initial MSEG-clamp freely 15.4 cm (pre squish)
Squished Clamp MSEG 17.3 cm

This do seem very similar. The stress while cooling down from high temperature is really tense if done in the extender. I personally find it very uncomfortable. If you have understood correctly you can see that basicly everything I have chosen to do is driven by the principle of doing less harm.

I had the feeling when I first started to gain amazingly fast that this could be helpful for other hardgainers and longtime plateau suffering guys. I am convinced that now you have the chance to achieve your goal.

You are being modest here. I think you know you have the understanding that´s for sure. You have come far and amazingly still gaining.
Maybe you just needed a catalyst for your processes to develop further.

Just got mine LeLuv 2.0” ,51 mm inside diameter cylinder. Labels are on and shows 51mm.

But it looked narrow and I measured the inside diameter to be 48 mm. What a disappointment.

That sucks man. Is it still bigger than the 48mm you had already?

It is exact same diameter as my Thickwall Cylinders 48 mm has.

They gave me a answer already, their 2.0” cylinder, which they claim in their material to have 51mm inside diameter has a 49 mm inside diameter instead as far as THEY know . Which I found rather ridiculous. Yet I measured it to be 48 mm.

LeLuv will send me 2.125 ” free of charge as a compensation.
They responded well to my dissatisfaction.

This is claimed to have 54 mm inside diameter, and guess what, I am going to measure it with the caliper.

Some people don’t know how to measure seriously. Some don’t even know there is inner and outer diameter. Its a struggle.

My Thickwall 2.0” cylinder is 53,5 mm instead of 51 mm. Those mm makes quite a difference in circumference 15,95 cm compare to 16,8 cm.

Ultrasound for penile therapeutic temperatures

ABSTRACT
Earlier Manko007 has demonstrated the efficiency of the Ultrasound being superior to UV in his test, using urethral temperatures as an indicator of the core temperatures of the penis.
It is confirmed that with US it is possible to heat penile shaft in to therapeutic temperatures (39.7-43° C)
Later he has demonstrated heating rates and the heat decay rates for the 1MHz and 3 MHz US.

This test have been produced to further confirm the results achieved with 1MHz ultrasound, and to detect and to conclude the cause of the inconsistencies of the temperatures found with the frequency.
Temperature decay when cooling down after US heat, has been confirmed to be non-linear and the benefits of the external heat source for stabilizing and maintaining core temperatures have been confirmed.
As a summary similar temperature decay rates were discovered. Heating efficiency is dependent of the intensity US transducer provides, as pointed in literature.

METHODS
As a heating device is used US transducer with 1.6 w/ cm^2 intensity. The area of the transducer head being 4.0cm^2.
There was reason to suspect steely rod of the urethral sound affecting the measurements, steel reflecting the ultrasound waves to contacting tissues and heating hot spots near the tip of the rod, therefor distorting measurements and elevating temperatures near the rod.
For concluding inconsistencies with measured temperatures steely rod of the thermometer sound was replaced with a plastic-coated thermocouple wiring. Instead of the one measuring point two measuring channels are used (T1 and T2), measuring separated by 6 cm distance.

The secondary purpose for this test is to find out the benefits using the external heated mass, for stabilizing
the elevated heat and maintaining it during the heat cycle.
0.5 kg rise sock is heated by microwave to have surface temperature of 45° C and used as a bed for penile shaft during US session. Temperatures at contacting surface are monitored by additional thermometer. (T3)
In Heating experiment 2 half of the shaft is baked inside two rice socks while the exposed half being heated with US.

The test procedure has been carried out as a demonstrative performance of the typical heat cycle included in my protocol. Penis is stretched to the sides, laying on the heated pad applying US for 20 minutes.
Transducer is applied ventrally targeting the dorsal side with deep penetrating 1MHz ultrasound waves.

The stretch is maintained during the time tissues cool down back to physical temperatures.
Because the loose attachment instead the vacuum cup, and thermometer probe inside urethra normal loads and cyclic stretching have been excluded for the safety of the procedure.

RESULTS
Test results are documented at 30 sec intervals for T1 and T2 and 2 minutes intervals for contacting surface.
T1 temperatures are measured penetrating deeper in to urethra, measurement being at first half portion the shaft. T2 is measured from the distal portion of the shaft.

Heat 1
Heating started from the proximal portion of the shaft. Initially elevating T1 and T2 remaining low.
Transducer moved to distal portion at 6 minutes to catch up the temperature.
Trying to keep balanced temperature on both channels the overall heat elevation was slow.
Struggled to top the threshold level of 39,7 °C, as there were lots of problems with the set up.
Therapeutic level reached 15 minutes point. There after staying on the target for 8 minutes.

Heat 1 Cool down
Sudden drop in both channels. 1-2 °C drop in 30 second.
There after slow non- linear descending reaching the plateauing at body temperatures.
Temperature stays elevated relative to the baseline temperature before heating process.

Heat 2
Heating started from the distal portion of the shaft. Initially elevating T2 to therapeutic range.
At 5 minutes point transducer is moved to proximal portion and is seen as a immediate drop on the T2
Both temperatures stabilized on the therapeutic temperature at 8 minutes.
Maintaining the therapeutic range to the end with burying the remaining of the shaft exposing only the transducer apply sites.
Fluctuation caused by moving the placement of the transducer relative to the probe. After 10 minutes several transducer overheating breaks causing drops in temperature.
Surface temperature against the heated rice sock (T3) starting from 46° C. Checked four times and last one still indicating 43° C at the end of the session.

Heat 2 Cool down

Initial drop is significant again, temperature dropping 2° C in under minute.
Then dropping slowly ramping down, being back to normal body temperatures in 10 minutes.
Residual temperature stays slightly elevated because of the suspected acceleration of the blood supply because of the US and the heat.
The elevation being approximately 1 °C to the baseline temperature. No measuring of the normalization of the temperature done.

Results are shown in the attached graphs.

Statistics for 0-15 minutes heat process and for therapeutic ranges shown in fahrenheits can be seen here :Statstics.JPG

CONCLUSION
It is evident that moving the transducer or cutting of the beam can cause sudden drops up to 2-3 °C.
Keeping the whole shaft at the therapeutic temperature the whole session is demanding task.

Using external heated mass can help but doesn´t exclude momentary falls. In the actual productive stretching session more so as there is no thermometer guiding the procedure.
Results indicate similarities found in Mankos tests. Heat produced with 1MHz in the penile shaft have tendency to fluctuate highly. It may be beam of waves reaching depths not found in penis. There for the effect and heat distribution causing peaks and lows.
Using coated thermocouple doesn´t provide any better outcome with heat but is more comfortable and being flexible also safer to use.

DISCUSSION
US with 1.6 w/ cm^2 can be used effectively if done very precise way.
Manko has provided better results with 2.0w/cm^2 with single temperature measuring point inside the shaft. The whole heat distribution remains to be unknown with sinlge measuring spot, as we have seen major drop in temperatures when the application is moved.

This test has put me considering running heating sessions with two transducers.
Applying two moderate intensity transducers simultaneously could be operated safer than increasing the power output above 2.0 w/cm^2.
With 1.6 w/ cm^2 maximum temperatures of 44-45 °C were flashing occasionally between documenting times and is supposed to happen easier going with greater intensities.

Great work Kyrpa! Love the scientific approach here.

This work is of great value to the PE community. I know it takes time and effort to get to conclusions, it’s much appreciated!

Thank you for the appreciation!
I tend to dive in these “projects” with a certain mindset that´s all.
It sounds just great each time someone founds any help from the experiment I am dealing with.

Amazing analysis. Love the professionalism touch in line with a study format. Makes it very easy to read.

A couple questions:

-In heat 1, after 15min seems like above 40 for both probes. How did you maintain both above 40? As I understand, probes are at 6cm apart, so if you move from one to another, temp drops below 40 as can be seen from min T10 to T15.

-In heat 2, after 8min, how exactly did you bury the shaft? Did you keep both T1 and T2 apply spots exposed and switched back and forth trying to keep temp above therapeatic range? Or did you sandwich T2 distal with rice sock, and focus solely on T1 proximal for remainder of test?

-Is T3 more attached to the shaft or the rice sock? It is just laying in between correct?

I think the variability you introduced from moving the US between probes makes it difficult to compare our data and draw concrete conclusions. As in my tests I tried to keep the US above the probe for most of the time.

I like your 2 US transducer idea.2 US transducers or even 3 attached in line could be used to heat a whole shaft for the whole 15 min instead of having to segment.

Yeah Pat,

I am pretty much done with these tubes available after this one mailed already has been conquered. Next one I will be composing myself.

Thanks man. I appreciate.

You know what ? The thing I have been hating the most when reading progress logs is that, there are tens of pages , hundreds of posts after posts.
Someone running experiment, or program which seems to be interesting and after reading one hundred posts you still can´t say if he has gained or not.
That´s why I like to have that documentation sorted out nicely.

For the first question I think I was drawing some sort of double cross connecting each other placements.
I was only documenting 30 sec intervals, and between them there were peaks and lows keeping them measurements indicating similar results quite some time.
If I ever to be running test protocol again, I will adopt the video tactics you had. Or find recording thermometer equipment.

I kept sandwiching between them portions continuously keeping whole unit hot. I dipped the transducer in the cup of gel at each switch.

Good old kitchen thermometer sticking out laying between the shaft and sock. Couldn´t keep it all the time as it was felt that hot at times on the skin.
Them temperatures were that stable so it is not that big thing anyways.

That´s what thought you were doing. Rest of the shaft remains unknown territory I suppose.
The safest option to produce the necessary heat is to concentrate on half of the shaft at time. BUT still I have tried to keep the whole unit hot, as best I could the whole time during the most of my heated cycles to date.

That´s why I seriously consider the dual approach. Triple would be hard to handle but I believe dual transducer would be manageable.