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Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Originally Posted by DocJ

I will continue to use this over the next month to see what happens. BTW, I attached a hook to a stud in my wall and pull straight out or even slightly upward, compared to hanging which pulls down. I have an inline digital fishing scale permanently fixed to show my force during my workout.

Based on your attached table you have elongated your BPFSL from Baseline 180mm to latest post workout BPFSL of 195 mm , meaning that you have already got 8,3% elongation from baseline.
Saying this you should not be surprised if the strain starts to diminish or even the post BPFSL could plateau. If it does you should not try to force it with overloading buy any means.

This concept you have adopted and modulated in to your penile environment has nothing to do with progressive overloading. This is all about high intensity.
When you plateau you just continue to repeat the elongation achieved for few rounds and then you need some rest , in your case from heavy hanging.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Kyrpa,

Where did you find the cyclic stretching idea? Before I think my gains were at the ligaments at the base. I felt as though my unit was a piece of thick rubber. Iceing seemed to help but this cyclic stretching has given me the sense my entire unit is stretching and I get the sensation of micro tears all along, it really stretches out.

As I understand you do cyclic stretching after ultrasound? I am tempted to do it before so I can get further but saying that I am a little cautious that it will be “too much stretch” and injury. I am thinking of Mankos analogy when he pulled out long grass when he was younger and would use a similiar routine to your cyclic stretching to break the grass.

If I do use ultrasound after cyclic stretching I will start very slowly using marineras gentle mindful stretching ideas.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Based on your attached table you have elongated your BPFSL from Baseline 180mm to latest post workout BPFSL of 195 mm , meaning that you have already got 8,3% elongation from baseline.
Saying this you should not be surprised if the strain starts to diminish or even the post BPFSL could plateau. If it does you should not try to force it with overloading buy any means.

This concept you have adopted and modulated in to your penile environment has nothing to do with progressive overloading. This is all about high intensity.
When you plateau you just continue to repeat the elongation achieved for few rounds and then you need some rest , in your case from heavy hanging.

Kyrpa this looks to me like a precision elongation sustained sufficient to ensure that proliferation is stimulated and then allowing for the proliferation to manifest(occur) before repeating the cycle.

It’s like a growth periodization on a micro(for the session) and macro(on the cycle).


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Limit found with this period(P3) for stretched elongation to be 24,1cm post exercise

During Period 3 (55 days so far)
BPEL 21.4cm ->22.0 +0.6cm
BPSFL 22.7 cm->23.8 +1.1 cm
MSEG* 14.8 cm->14.83 +0.0 cm
*Documented mseg is average from base (15.7), midshaft (14.7.) and behind the glans girth (14.1) for more accurate volume calculation.

That triggered me to change the focus on girth exercises and keeping only the conditioning stretch in regimen as only stretching exercise for the rest on this period(P3).

BPEL and BPFSL measured at rest are still developing as they should , but I can confirm gains starting to slightly diminish compared to previous rounds.
If I have already reached the turning point of the long term gains remains to be under speculation. I am predicting it to happen before 1.5 years point in any case.
In attached chart we can see gains especially BPFSL development lagging, still there or thereabouts in the tolerances.

With length I dare to say having found a formula producing gains time and time again.
Experimenting with traditional girth exercises and reading a lot of clamping and pumping experiences from others, I do think going with traditional regimens will not guarantee any productivity.

Therefor I have decided to adopt principles found productive with length in to girth development.
Switching from lengthening longitudinally to circumferential lengthening adopting the concept in to this environment. Stress relaxation and heated circumferential stretching via cavernous expansion.
Pumping or clamping cause stress on longitudinal tunica layer straightening it to partly resist circumferential expansion forming the known rigid skeleton for erection.

Circumferential expansion during increased pressure externally on vacuum cylinder or internally via clamps, is restricted by both longitudinal layer of the tunica and Buck´s fascia which has similarly arranged longitudinal collagenous properties as the first mentioned.
Not as tough and inelastic as TA layer but similarly acting envelop restricting any longitudinal elongation while erect. Causing significant stress on longitudinal layers and therefor making them stiffen as they are known to do when increasing the load when stretching at flaccid state also.
I am going with methods which restrict length in pumping and clamping exercises, reducing the effect these envelops mentioned have on preventing circumferential expansion.

The application of Poisson´s Ratio has been taken in the practical use in here. If we don’t allow them erectile chambers to expand freely longitudinally , they will expand more circumferentially reaching the volume available. Therefor stretching circumference more than normally capable.

It should be mentioned that doing these things fully erect with hard as possible are not doable.
Trying to force fully erect rigid penis in to shorter stage would be painful and dangerous in worst case.
Erections should be produced already clamped, or in the vacuum chamber, or if occurred naturally then in 70-80% stage.

Vacuum chambers must be dimensioned in the way the penis should expand to fill the chamber.
Starting with chamber which could be filled in minutes, stress relaxation occurs when filling the cylinder with restricted lengthening.
For next step bigger chamber is used and stress relaxation with greater expansion is reached with pre-heated unit with US and heatpad /rice sock during.
For clamping I am using experimental devise which anchors itself between two cable clamps and compressive force can be introduced pushing glans towards the base.

Folding of the compressed penis is prevented by using straps limiting sideways movement still allowing the expansion to form. This is crucial as the accidental folding of the expanded shaft could cause to get hurt or injured very easily.

Stress relaxation based girth routine

1. Conditioning stretch 2kg 30min.
2. Conditioning pump 48mm, longitudinally restricted 15-20 mm below free pumping length, 5 inHG 10min
3. Heated pump 52mm, longitudinally restricted 15-20 mm below free pumping lenght 7 inHG 10 min
4. Clamp Squisher Cyclic compression 5min US heat baseline compression.
5. Clamp Squisher Cyclic compression 5min 30sec max compressions
6. Repeat steps 4 and 5

At the moment I have only had 48mm cylinder in use and I am filling it already real easily.
52mm cylinder is on its way already to be arrived anytime soon.
So far I have documented some measurements used as a baseline for this experiment.

Day 1
Baseline MSEG 14.7 cm
Initial MSEG-clamp freely 15.3 cm
Squished Clamp MSEG 17 cm
Day 2
Baseline MSEG 14.7 cm
Initial MSEG-clamp freely 15.3 cm
Squished Clamp MSEG 17.1 cm

Day 3
Baseline MSEG 14.7 cm
Initial MSEG-clamp freely 15.4 cm
Squished Clamp MSEG 17.2 cm

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START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 09-02-2019 at .

Originally Posted by Buckfever
Kyrpa this looks to me like a precision elongation sustained sufficient to ensure that proliferation is stimulated and then allowing for the proliferation to manifest(occur) before repeating the cycle.

It’s like a growth periodization on a micro(for the session) and macro(on the cycle).

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START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by NicholasVan
Kyrpa,

Where did you find the cyclic stretching idea? Before I think my gains were at the ligaments at the base. I felt as though my unit was a piece of thick rubber. Iceing seemed to help but this cyclic stretching has given me the sense my entire unit is stretching and I get the sensation of micro tears all along, it really stretches out.

As I understand you do cyclic stretching after ultrasound? I am tempted to do it before so I can get further but saying that I am a little cautious that it will be “too much stretch” and injury. I am thinking of Mankos analogy when he pulled out long grass when he was younger and would use a similiar routine to your cyclic stretching to break the grass.

If I do use ultrasound after cyclic stretching I will start very slowly using marineras gentle mindful stretching ideas.

Well, Marinera tried to sell this idea already a decade ago and got interested about the idea.
There is lots of examples found suggesting that viscoelastic properties might be tackled easier with cyclic loading than than with a continuous load.
You might get injured more easily with manual stretching cold penis than already heated. And I can assure you that you will have less strain doing it cold rather than heated. You might feel more stress as your tissues trying to resist the load more when they are cold, still having really minor strain on tissues.

In fact we don´t really need the feel of micro tears happening in any case to still elongate our penises hugely.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by NicholasVan
I am thinking of Mankos analogy when he pulled out long grass when he was younger and would use a similiar routine to your cyclic stretching to break the grass.

Well, have have no long grass in hand while working with our dicks.

Now that you already have US in your disposal, I would suggest you to base your routines, what ever they might be, surrounding the knowledge that with supra physiological heat, you are possibly allowing elongation to occur with less structural damage.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Well, Marinera tried to sell this idea already a decade ago and got interested about the idea.
There is lots of examples found suggesting that viscoelastic properties might be tackled easier with cyclic loading than than with a continuous load.
You might get injured more easily with manual stretching cold penis than already heated. And I can assure you that you will have less strain doing it cold rather than heated. You might feel more stress as your tissues trying to resist the load more when they are cold, still having really minor strain on tissues.

In fact we don´t really need the feel of micro tears happening in any case to still elongate our penises hugely.

I agree with you, especially about the heating even if i am not using it due to the lack of privacy and time.
I have found examples of manual stretchers who stretched with short sets throughout the day and gained very very well. In my mind the continuous load is really achieved with an extender or an ADS.

I am somewhere in the middle and i hold each stretch for 5-6 minutes, sometimes more sometimes less. I also do multiple sets, so it’s not a continuous load approach more like cycling stretching with longer holds. I have noticed that with this way the strain achieved is better than doing shorted stretches.

Generally i am suggesting middle forces while stretching but at some point, at the end of the session i increase the intensity. I can stretch really hard with my grip now but i have to do it in a clever way, not to condition and stiffen the tissues.

In your last period are you still doing 5 days on 2 days off?

Also how did you make your modifications to your extender?


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Originally Posted by longerstretch
In your last period are you still doing 5 days on 2 days off?

Also how did you make your modifications to your extender?

I have been running 5 days cycles as a frame, 3 on + 2 off since the start of the P2.
Sometimes I have to improvise due my schedules but I haven´t had more than 5 days in row.
Working 4 or 5 days a row there have been extra rest days as well. And I am not afraid to take them rest days if I feel so.

90% of the time I have been on 3+2 schedule. If I can´t for a reason or another I usually prefer extra rest.

Now I haven´t been using extender more than for taking baseline measurements. But in P1 and P2 I used it in regular basis.

Basic mods are seen here : IMG_20181216_215223.jpg
Second phase springs operated in the range of 1,5- 4kg.

Later on I mounted tubes molded from heat-shrink tubing, that lock the standard spring set at the point adjustment bottom out. It is then used in a stress relaxation mode with a fixed length without any springs..

I really think that the progress and gains have very little to do with the equipment or particular exercises in use.
Everything is more depended on how we run the protocol and what we achieve with these manoeuvres, both micro and macro level.
Primarily certain thresholds should be triggered, it is secondary how they have been achieved.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 09-02-2019 at .

Thank you. My first campaign back was 1 on, 1 to 3 days off, depending on work schedule. As stated before i started with one stretch session and slowly increased to 3 over the course of a month before taking a month off. My second workout on current campaign I had to already go to 2 sessions in a day to achieve over 2% strain. I’ll finish out this campaign as is but I wonder if I’d have more consistent results with back to back days.

And I agree, the techniques and principles utilized have more to do with gains than what’s used


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Originally Posted by longerstretch
Thank you. My first campaign back was 1 on, 1 to 3 days off, depending on work schedule. As stated before i started with one stretch session and slowly increased to 3 over the course of a month before taking a month off. My second workout on current campaign I had to already go to 2 sessions in a day to achieve over 2% strain. I’ll finish out this campaign as is but I wonder if I’d have more consistent results with back to back days.

And I agree, the techniques and principles utilized have more to do with gains than what’s used

1 on 3 off is bold. I don´t know if this operation should be productive that way or not. Maybe with more sessions as you do.
I have personally come down on hours a lot. This P3 should be the most downgraded.

It wasn´t long time ago when I was asked should he go 5+2 , I recommended for 4+3 instead.
I have a temptation to go with 2+2 or 2+3 next period with length. Now I will concentrate on girth for some time before the decon break slightly longer than before.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

So I’ve been following your routine like so:
1.6 - 3.7:
- 1h vac stretch 2-3 kg
- 20 min 3 MHz (1,6-2 w) US heat with 3 kg
- 1h vac stretch 2-3 kg

So no manual at all.. I was gaining during that time around 1 mm per week BPEL and after 3.7 I switched routine to this:
- 30 - 50 mins vac stretch 2 kg
- 20 min 3 MHz (1,6-2 w) US heat with 3 kg
- 10 mins manual stretches 5-9 kg

I did that routine and my BPEL and BPFSL started to stagnate and ultimately decrease. By 10.8 I decided to return back to what I did before and lo and behold, I am again gaining roughly 1 mm per week in BPEL and BPFSL.

Somehow those manuals didn’t feel right and maybe I was causing my unit to stiffen or something? There are so many variables so it’s hard to even ask what I could have done wrong.. Maybe my unit just works differently.

Originally Posted by Gentlepsychopath
Generally i am suggesting middle forces while stretching but at some point, at the end of the session i increase the intensity. I can stretch really hard with my grip now but i have to do it in a clever way, not to condition and stiffen the tissues.

I am with you 100% on this one.
It is possible to develop sensitive, still strong manual handling as you have done. I think that I have similar touch as well.
I personally prefer to do my manual stretching exercises with hand grip than vacuum attachment for the cyclic stretching..

TG said elsewhere that maybe there is lot of I can take from my years in bodybuilding in to this PE thing. I believe one of them might be the sense of the exhausting tissues at different levels and being able to read the PI´s.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Didgeridoo
So I’ve been following your routine like so:
1.6 - 3.7:
- 1h vac stretch 2-3 kg
- 20 min 3 MHz (1,6-2 w) US heat with 3 kg
- 1h vac stretch 2-3 kg

So no manual at all.. I was gaining during that time around 1 mm per week BPEL and after 3.7 I switched routine to this:
- 30 - 50 mins vac stretch 2 kg
- 20 min 3 MHz (1,6-2 w) US heat with 3 kg
- 10 mins manual stretches 5-9 kg

I did that routine and my BPEL and BPFSL started to stagnate and ultimately decrease. By 10.8 I decided to return back to what I did before and lo and behold, I am again gaining roughly 1 mm per week in BPEL and BPFSL.

Somehow those manuals didn’t feel right and maybe I was causing my unit to stiffen or something? There are so many variables so it’s hard to even ask what I could have done wrong.. Maybe my unit just works differently.



Keep on the way you are gaining. I think you are right on the stress caused with the manuals were just too much for your tissues at the time.
Them tissues DO stiffen for everyone when increasing the load above certain point. The threshold may vary between individuals a lot.
Now with the vac stretch you are keeping the strain while tissues are cooling down. And if you are really lucky, which could be the case, you might do just fine with only 30 minutes post heat vac stretch instead. Have you tried with shorter time?

The good thing is that you already found that with your case, there is no need for excessive loads at all.

I am glad that you have found your way. Just great.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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