Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Focusing on the low level stresses , here is except from the discussion of teh same study:

“Results showed that fibre recruitment (as measured by crimp) could well have an important role in this minimization of creep at toe-region stresses.
The concurrent crimp analysis also provided a potential explanation for the increase in static creep at a stress in the linear-region of the stress-strain curve, 28 MPa.
At the lower stresses, the crimp analysis showed significant increases in straightened fibres and decreases in crimped fibres post-creep, indicating that collagen fibres initially loaded were straightened and others were recruited durng creep.

Creep will be minimized as the load is distributed over a progressively increasing load-bearing area involving the fibres initially loaded and those progressively recruited.
Additionally, the stress on the initially loaded fibres will be reduced as the load-bearing area increases, hence reducing the likelihood of fibre rupture. “

I strongly suggest that we are recruiting and elongating them fibrils mostly not breaking them.

This of course for ligament having only one solid tissue without layers.

With penis we are not only stretching ligament or one particular fascia.

We are stretching layered composition of multiple layers surrounding each other connected to each other and each one of them attached in different connection points.
Even not taking this in to consideration every soft tissue biological element has unique stress strain curve.

These ligament and tendon studies are used as a reference now for decades for PE.
I shared stress strain curves of the penis originally posted by enthusiastic member , I recall from 2003 and nothing have happened since. I guess the gurus have been too busy on jerking their dicks from the dusk till dawn, that any of the basic collective anecdotal study have not been produced ever.

I feel strongly that it is unbelievable shameful that these PE communities have not gathered this crucial data collectively and shared it with each other.

I honestly don’t know but most likely temperature.
It just doesn’t sound sensible to me to heat any body part excessively when blood can’t flow such as when clamped.
Also while clamped your sensitivity can be reduced so you may not realise how hot you’re getting.

I managed to burn my glans once while pumping under Infrared, happened very quickly and was painful for weeks, wouldn’t want to see it happen to anyone else.

You are right on scorching hot penis while clamped being a serious risk. I would´t jump all over the internet banning everyone even suggesting it, but it is hard core stuff and should be taken very seriously.

Heating while pumping has real risk on heating the cylinder too hot, cheating by conducting is the riskiest of all things for skin.

“I strongly suggest that we are recruiting and elongating them fibrils mostly not breaking them.”

We don’t know what the adaptation is.

In that article it does show and you are good to point out that increasing loads changes the recruitment response. Does recruitment at that level create resistance to elongation prior to injury? Because we know that ligaments and tendons can strengthen in response to load.

I keep coming back to the sweet spot. I think we’re better to er on the side of not enough load and adjusting up, even if it takes more time, rather than too much load and potentially shutting down progress altogether.

What I am observing is that you are careful to not apply too much load, while maintaining efficiency.

I really want to see what your results reveal in the next year.

DocJ, using the link you provided, and using the table for optimal heating of muscle with 3mhz 2.5cm deep I should be able to effectively do my heat routine in 28 minutes at .08-1 W/CM2. I think the question is how does heating a penis with good blood flow compare to heating muscle tissue. I don’t believe I have been overheating, but I believe for the sake of safety I need to find a good way to check the temperature. At 3mhz the heat should penetrate 2.5 centimeters, and that is more then my stretched flattened unit. I wonder if a thermometer strip between my leg and dick would be effective with a good amount of ultrasound gel?

The end of the toe region , more precisely the the seamless change from the transitional region to finale linear load bearing region is the area where the strain target locates. Some of the extender users, and I mean you here, have reached the transitional region already and are able to approximate it if they are producing permanent gains. Nailing it repeatedly not exhausting the tissues excessively would be the sweet spot you are dreaming about.
Now that I have come more aware of the behavior of the stretched penis, I am same time quite relieved and more concerned about the loads used.
I am obsessed about the sweet spot. It would be the guarantee of the continuation without several months long decons.

Looks like you took the safe side. Unfortunately 0.8-1 W/ cm^2 is too low.

Penis cools down that fast you are not able to keep it heated enough more than few minutes at one spot at time.
Keeping most of the volume at targeted temperatures you need to ramp that up.

Nobody wanted to scare you in any measure, just to be aware that your machinery is powerful tool.

I am running this operation with 1.6 W / cm^2 1MHz and I think that if I had a change I would run it with 2.0 W/ cm^2. I have accustomed to use it effectively but ensuring I can keep the whole unit warm enough I use heated rise sock as a bed form my dick.

Apparently no when just reading charts. While stretching living penis , user being wake then yes. It is called unbearable pain, at least unbearable discomfort.

Then again never been that far, but going with 4kg on heated stretch at 2,8 % strain already, feelings started to be very ,very alarmed.

Good idea. If you are about to run this experiment , it would be much appreciated by many of us if you could write some notes.

I have no desire to spend anymore time then necessary reach the 45*C target. There must be a easy way to verify the temperature while heating. I am going to order some temperature strips, and sees if they are effective. I suppose a comparison with the thermometer strips, and inserting a thermometer into the urethra would be the most accurate.

If you take both measurements and catalog them, it would form a nice conversion table for future use. Supposing there is linearity it would be accurate enough as well.

And you should take 43 C for your target, as more than that is really not needed. Anything between 40-43 C is the range.

Great measuring tool! I hadn’t thought about it. I will definitely get one and put an end to inaccuracies.

Is the proportional limit the 1 to 1 so increase stress increase gain?

Interestingly I overlooked cumulative strain and just calculated for my 1-3 cycles and found that every time I stagnated, I had to reach about 5-6% cumulative strain from prior BPFSL stuck at, to break through to higher post BPFSL. I will call this a displacement event. This happened in about 6 occasions, median around 4.5%, avg. 4.5%, and as high as 7.5%, and as low as 4.3%. So perhaps there is something there. I could have cherry picked a little as the data is not perfect, so I had to, but it seems atleast 70% of cases it could be true.

About the toe region extended, I think I agree. My data my pre BPFSL always aproach ending BPFSL before a displacement event. This means the standard deviation of strains for each consecutive set in a workout goes down. Thus easily replicating the transitional region and going into linear territory faster. Perhaps displacement events occur right after in linear territory.

I am not sure we are only operating in the toe region and moving knee region further as to date my cumulative strain since inception is 17%. How can this be only toe region and moving the knee region further?

But the thing that makes me think you are right is that the tunica is quite large and it is a meaty thing with many components, not just a tendon/ligament period. So the fibril rupture hypothesis seems hard to imagine as the penis it is one solid quite big piece, which can resist huge loads before deforming, such as 400lbs world records. But who knows, maybe at the micro level it is. Or it is only elongation. As you said we can’t know for sure so it is best to dwell in a results based aproach and having more data from more users can help us determine things.

Another interesting thing is anecdotally most hangers gain at 15lbs and then gains stop. People claim to stop gaining even after going to 30lbs etc. Xeno even went up to 100lbs I believe and didn’t gain much. The key I think lies in finding the sweet spot.

Proportional limit is used with elastic materials behaving linearly.
It represents the point where the tissue still recovers to its original length after load is removed.
I insisted that we are not there, instead we are in other end of the final elastic slope. As we truly are operating

My cumulative BPFSL gains have been exactly 6,5% and 6% at the point the strain percentages have started to diminish. BPFSL still continued to increase up to 7% and 7,5% while being at the second parts of the Periods. There is definitely something in it.

What you described is the whole curve moving forward as the consequency of the displacement. Baseline moving forward in increments, stress strain curve staying the same.
We were talking about kneepoint moving forward with heat cycle during exercise.

What I really meant to say was the initial regions in general, toe region in complete including initial elastic slope and the stiffening transitional region.
Anyways I haven´t reached that final linear slope. As the indicator of it should be the fact that up to the estimated 9kg manual loads , penile tissue keeps stiffening as the modulus still increasing.
Just like the ligament study with those lower stress figures up to 14.1 MPa.
Loading more should at some point get me to the linear slope with the constant modulus. Like the 28 MPa was.

“The stress-strain behaviours of ligaments are non-linear, comprised of a toe-region (increasing modulus) and a linear-region (constant modulus). “
Excerpt from the study referred in your log.

Several studies and texts say the same thing, we are still operating in the transitional region until the modulus decreases and stays constant obeying the Hooke´s law.

This was one of my arguments on rejecting the idea of exceeding proportional limit. With linearly behaving materials this point is located high , just below elastic limit and yield point. In our case so high on the linear region because of the high tensile strength of penis that we never reach it.

That doesn´t take in account the time period hanged. Also remains unknown how much they have gained during this period. So there is not much to comment, other than that I suppose 30lbs being at the linear region, like the 28MPa stress in the study.
We have already seen that we gain in cycles then we plateau, independently of the loads used.

You guys might enjoy this thread if you haven’t already seen it.

Possible reason for PE induced growth

Interestingly some authors present the whole stress strain curve including all the five stages, including the failure portions.

I) Toe region , showing linearly behaving elasticity with minor modulus.
( in our case during conditioning stretch and first parts of the heated stretch)
II) Heel region. Progressively recruiting fibres. Modulus increasing exponentially
( Referred here as the Transitional region, Latter part of the heated stretch ,Operating Manual cyclic stretching here)
III) Linear region . Linearly behaving elasticity. Constant stiffness. Major Modulus
( some of the hanger and high pressure pumpers, depending on their conditioning preparations.)
IV) Progressive failure
V) complete failure

None of the references I have seen never mention proportional limit with these soft tissues, it is there though somewhere but taking in consideration forces needed it has no value for us IMO.

I have been repeating my self that much with the un-linearly behaving stress strain curve that starting to think un-linearly already.