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Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Originally Posted by capernicus1
Have you ever tried using water in your vac hanger ?
I’ve used it for a few years, it grips way better than air.
You can still get blisters if you go too heavy for too long but for shorter heavy hangs or manual stretches it’s great.

Great. Just great tip. I have thought about it .

Now that you have already made it, I certainly willl go for it tomorrow.

I was supposed to do exercises today but I am way too tired.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa

More tryouts have confirmed both of them producing the 1 mm additional elongation after heated stretch.
I am convinced there is confirmation that more load you put the more the tissue stiffens, as the tangent modulus decreases.

I am curious to see if you can accelerate your gains comparing to previous results with these tweaks on your routines.

Me two as currently I lost 1cm in BPFSL t3 it seems over hiatus, so I am planning to introduce jelquing 10min at the end to help with the conversion of BPFSL to BPEL. BPEL stayed the same almost as my 2nd cycle end, so it seems cycle 3 was a wash even though I briefly saw 20.3cm bpel, it went down back to 19.7-19.9. I think the jequing might be the key to cement BPFSL into BPEL. Otherwise I can’t keep gaining BPFSL and not convert to BPEL. It could be lack of smooth muscle expansion or lack of new length retention at new BPFSL. Maybe I needed to stay at 22.8 for another month to solidify and let BPEL catch up via keep doing my routine. Either one.

I read that by decreasing the rate of strain to 1-5%/s of total load one can minimize the stiffness (tangent modulus increasing). So for example max load is 10kg, you should increase to this total weight over 20-30 seconds. Not immediately. and this slower rate of strain will decrease the tangent modulus compared to higher rate of strain above 5%.

Also a study that the energy loss of hysteresis decreases when tissue is at higher temperature. However tangent modulus is unchanged and not affected by temperature. I imagine that just the whole stress strain curve shift to the right more, that would explain both.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Originally Posted by manko007
Me two as currently I lost 1cm in BPFSL t3 it seems over hiatus, so I am planning to introduce jelquing 10min at the end to help with the conversion of BPFSL to BPEL. BPEL stayed the same almost as my 2nd cycle end, so it seems cycle 3 was a wash even though I briefly saw 20.3cm bpel, it went down back to 19.7-19.9. I think the jequing might be the key to cement BPFSL into BPEL. Otherwise I can’t keep gaining BPFSL and not convert to BPEL. It could be lack of smooth muscle expansion or lack of new length retention at new BPFSL. Maybe I needed to stay at 22.8 for another month to solidify and let BPEL catch up via keep doing my routine. Either one.

I read that by decreasing the rate of strain to 1-5%/s of total load one can minimize the stiffness (tangent modulus increasing). So for example max load is 10kg, you should increase to this total weight over 20-30 seconds. Not immediately. and this slower rate of strain will decrease the tangent modulus compared to higher rate of strain above 5%.

Also a study that the energy loss of hysteresis decreases when tissue is at higher temperature. However tangent modulus is unchanged and not affected by temperature. I imagine that just the whole stress strain curve shift to the right more, that would explain both.

I haven`t been on that long hiatus within this campaign so I don´t know how much would be lost during. But I seem to converting BPFSL gains better to BPEL gains concentrating for girth orientated routines after intensive stretching periods than going for complete off straight on.

You are reading what I have been confirming by measuring my dick. If you take a look on the graphs I have been plotting lately it is all there.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 08-06-2019 at .

Originally Posted by manko007
For the 3kg I used vaccum for 6.5kg I use bib hanger modified. But now I plan to use all just bib hanger cause I need some time for blisters to heal.

For the modification it is based on Xenos thread. So it is more of a > shape. That is the > shape is against the load. So it helps to secure and not slip. Specially I am uncut so the > helps with the extra skin and slippage. Always use a wrap and theraband. The wrap is for comfort. The bib I modified has also therawrap glue to the sides. So my dick is therawrap and bib is therawrap, that increases friction, because it is rubber against rubber, so it helps with slippage.

I would get a hardcore bib. It is only like 40 I think.

Manko, I’ve become obsessed with TP. I’ve actually lost some weight I haven’t been eating because I’m getting lost in my mind reading threads. Even if I don’t get any gains, Maybe my Johnson will look bigger because I’m thinner now. Went on Xeno’s thread to find how to modify the Bibhanger I ordered one today but it was overwhelming - hours, days and weeks of info there. It’s pretty cool Bigger emailed me back personally to make sure I ordered the right one. When/If you have time, can you help point me in the right direction of how to modify to get the > shape?

By the way, first three days BPSFL results:
1. 80.0 - 90.1
2. 84.0 - 91.0
3. 85.0 - 92.0

Then to my dismay, I got another freaking blister. So frustrating. I guess I’ll wait another week to heal, then back at it. I will never give up, there are too many success stories on this site and the ones that have done the best I would bet are the ones that have had the most setbacks and not given up. As in any endeavor in life.

Great thread, great gains.

Keep up the hard work.

DocJ I’m a strong proponent of vac devices, especially for those that lack time. The problem with them is the skin has to be conditioned to it on some level and you lose that quickly after decon. You’d have to drop weight and time and slowly build back up. Also after a blister if you jump right back in too intensely or for too long you’ll likely to get a blister in the same spot. I know kyrpa doesn’t do ADS during rest but his waves have also been longer than mine. I ADS with a vacuum device, Silistretcher and vac extender, to keep some conditioning up as well.

Are you taping? Also look into silicap and silipads. I like those better than cotton pads and toe protectors but those could work for you too. I ADS for 4 to 5 hours with just those too at 2 lbs and just get a little Fluid Buildup that dissipates in 10 min.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Originally Posted by DocJ

By the way, first three days BPSFL results:
1. 80.0 - 90.1
2. 84.0 - 91.0
3. 85.0 - 92.0

Sorry my stats were mistyped
1. 180 - 191mm
2. 184 - 192mm
3. 185 - 193mm

I had a few glasses of wine when I unwrapped and saw another blister.

Originally Posted by longerstretch
DocJ I’m a strong proponent of vac devices, especially for those that lack time. The problem with them is the skin has to be conditioned to it on some level and you lose that quickly after decon. You’d have to drop weight and time and slowly build back up. Also after a blister if you jump right back in too intensely or for too long you’ll likely to get a blister in the same spot. I know kyrpa doesn’t do ADS during rest but his waves have also been longer than mine. I ADS with a vacuum device, Silistretcher and vac extender, to keep some conditioning up as well.

Are you taping? Also look into silicap and silipads. I like those better than cotton pads and toe protectors but those could work for you too. I ADS for 4 to 5 hours with just those too at 2 lbs and just get a little Fluid Buildup that dissipates in 10 min.

Longerstretch,

Thanks for chiming in. I am taping with coban wrap around my glans. I’ve noticed that with a heavy hanging vac system, like the vac hanger there is more airspace in the chamber around the wrapped glans because the chamber is larger, where as the ADS vac system, like the Vac Extender4.x, the glans is right up close to the end of the chamber, and when there is more force, it pulls away a little leaving a small space. I’ve never had a blister with the heavy hanger set up so I’m thinking I need to go back to that for more weight, like 3kg-6kg as in Kyrpa’s protocol which I have been following. It seems the ADS systems are not geared for heavier weight and when I try to overload them it puts too much vacuum, right at the tip of my unit, even when it is wrapped. By comparison, a larger air chamber distributes the vacuum more evenly around the entire glans.

With that said, one reason I like the ADS vac setup is that it pulls right behind the glans, whereas the Heavy hanger vac setup pulls a little further down the shaft and stretches the skin more vs. Just focusing on the internals.

I know what you mean about conditioning and staying conditioned. If I have long breaks the glans is far more susceptible to bruising, so good advice going slow for a while.

I am going to try out the modified bib system to see how it goes.

Thanks again for the advice.

Originally Posted by TheTerrible
Great thread, great gains.

Keep up the hard work.

Thank you very much.

All the best for your efforts as well.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by longerstretch
DocJ I’m a strong proponent of vac devices, especially for those that lack time. The problem with them is the skin has to be conditioned to it on some level and you lose that quickly after decon. You’d have to drop weight and time and slowly build back up. Also after a blister if you jump right back in too intensely or for too long you’ll likely to get a blister in the same spot. I know kyrpa doesn’t do ADS during rest but his waves have also been longer than mine. I ADS with a vacuum device, Silistretcher and vac extender, to keep some conditioning up as well.

Are you taping? Also look into silicap and silipads. I like those better than cotton pads and toe protectors but those could work for you too. I ADS for 4 to 5 hours with just those too at 2 lbs and just get a little Fluid Buildup that dissipates in 10 min.

Cap would be good for DocJ . I have come very sensitized for having blisters after breaks. I need to monitor very closely the condition of the glans. I will purchase some sort of caps for the protection of the tip of the glans also myself.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by DocJ
Sorry my stats were mistyped
1. 180 - 191mm
2. 184 - 192mm
3. 185 - 193mm

I had a few glasses of wine when I unwrapped and saw another blister.

You can search his thread. Bib hanger modification or mod and find it. It’s not that hard. Unfortunately I dont have the time to help with this. It spans several posts because people have questions about this and that. If I could do it you could do it :)

Those are decent numbers but you need more data to conclude you are gaining. Keep a good log of all your numbers in excel and of all pertinent metrics so so you can look back and see what you did and how it affected your gains etc. Keep it up!

And the vac caps can be purchased on aliexpress for cheap


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Page 21 for bib mods I think, read several pages after. Bearded dragon made the mods too I believe


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Originally Posted by manko007
You can search his thread. Bib hanger modification or mod and find it. It’s not that hard. Unfortunately I don’t have the time to help with this. It spans several posts because people have questions about this and that. If I could do it you could do it :)

Those are decent numbers but you need more data to conclude you are gaining. Keep a good log of all your numbers in excel and of all pertinent metrics so so you can look back and see what you did and how it affected your gains etc. Keep it up!

And the vac caps can be purchased on aliexpress for cheap

Thanks Manko,

Yes I know I need data for a long time. I’m keeping everything in excel and took photos as well, both of pre-PE and of some of the techniques with US I am doing. I noticed not many photos on this thread, so Ill keep them private unless someone asks. I’ll start again next week once I’m healed. You guys are all great, I look forward to contributing in some way. I wish I had found this forum a decade ago.

Originally Posted by DocJ
Thanks Manko,

Yes I know I need data for a long time. I’m keeping everything in excel and took photos as well, both of pre-PE and of some of the techniques with US I am doing. I noticed not many photos on this thread, so Ill keep them private unless someone asks. I’ll start again next week once I’m healed. You guys are all great, I look forward to contributing in some way. I wish I had found this forum a decade ago.

Best way to contribute is to start a progress log of your own. You seem to be taking this seriously enough to be a real asset if you share your data as well.

Data points around and past the transitional region are welcome with slightly differing loads as well. I volunteer on turning them on graphs if you will.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Hi, I was planning on starting this type of routine as well. I have a LG hanger in the mail and a 1mhz ultrasound machine I’ll use in combination with it. I just had a question on what you mean by cyclic stretching. Could you please elaborate thank you.

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