Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Excellent. Interestingly our routines have been similar. I do bucking bronco stretches in AM before getting out of bed,
ADS with silistretcher and increasing tension for an hour. I then hang 15 to 20 min with fulcrum and heat. Then I use length master to do assortment of manual stretches. I repeat that up to 2-3x per day, usually not repeating length master set. 1 day on, 1 to 3 days off per gains campaign. Currently doing one month on, one month off. Hybrid of IPR, the main take away I got from IPR is the need for rest. Sumo squats stretch for piss pulls and ADS when possible, especially on days off. Also using a progressive overload approach as tolerated from day to day.

Finally hit the 8 inch club! This is my first routine back since almost 2 years off. After my current month off I’ll be able to gather more data on future campaigns in regards to length of time and length of decon.

I see. Good graph there. I should divide 20min into 10 cycles then with rest time equal to half a strain cycle until the stress strain curve becomes repeatable. Do you recommend increasing the weight for each strain cycle? Perhaps we can follow Xenos chaos theory/sacred geometry approach and use a weight increment equal to a factor 1.618 / 2.5 times initial weight IIRC lol

I need to get myself one of those luggage scales. Unfortunately they are all kind of cheap and not accurate.

Would you suggest to use a cyclic approach to the preconditioning stretch as well? What about the heating stretch stage? With or without incremental weight? I know it becomes cumbersome, but what would you suggest ideally?

No there is no need for increasing the weight for every cycle.

Of course we can pick up which ratios we ever like, or perhaps just step out of ring around the fireplace where the stories have been told time and time again.
We are making progress by measuring the results, and making decisions ruled by the results not by following any absurd guidance making no sense.

There should be accurate hanging scales available at affordable price too . Analog ones would be easiest to read I guess .

When you look for stress strain curves for soft tissues ( posted by me too), you can see that the fist part of the curve, the initial elastic part is fully elastic by nature. So on it needs continuous stretch or stress relaxation. The latter giving elongation quicker.

With heat you can go though the transitional region, and as the stiffening of the tissue comes in to play the the viscoelastic behavior dominates, then the cyclic stretch is the best tool to combat the stiffening.
So cyclic stretching only for the last part , the third set of your regimen.

I suggest : three stages.
In your case it would mean first set being cold stress relaxation conditioning hang with 2-3 kg, second being heated continuous with 4.8 kg and the third being cyclic hang with 6.4 kg, first 10 minutes heated and second part immediately after non heated ( or just 10min non heated following immediately after set 2) . Never increasing the load in first two sets and increasing loads on last set only if necessary. Minimizing the time under US

Loads for the sets 1 ans 2 are higher than mine only for the reason you are accustomed for them, otherwise should not be greater than mine. Totaling 60 minutes

The workout protocol looks similar. Main difference being my offs are offs. NO touching PE wise.
And you are correct on not repeating the length master that would excessive.

If I was to use several heat cycles a day then I would stick with 1 on 2-3 off cycle. It is working so you are doing it right.
Would you still consider the possibility for achieving same results with only one workout a day? Now with the US heat used temperatures being that great it could be enough?

Almost slipped unnoticed but here it goes:

Great result, congrats on 3 inches length gains!. As long as not overdoing , there is more to come.

Kyrpa,

I know from your earlier posts that you have incorporated girth exercises along with variations of this/your regimen, and now it seems you are focusing more on length, perhaps not doing as much girth work. Based on your experience, do you think it is more productive to do girth work with stretching as you have done, or do length first than girth once you have reached your length goals? You have had quite a bit of success with gaining volume - length and width. I know this has been discussed quite a bit, but I just wanted to get your opinion at this point in your journey. Its hard to say if the girth is just a natural response of the the growth in length, or if it from the girth work that you are doing. Thanks,

I started off with only one session and slowly increased time letting my post day
BPFSL be my guide and aiming to up stress level 1.1x to 1.5x rate. Rate was calculated per xeno and I use it more as a guide post to progress. Both with weight and or time. And as such there came days where I wasn’t reaching BPSFL measurements I previously did and to note there was never any retraction. It wasn’t an extreme routine by any means. I slowly bumped up to 2 sets and then the last week 3 sets. The off days are part to follow some IPR protocols but also due to my work schedule, I’m in medical field so 12 to 16 hours are common as well as variable schedules.

I (and many others) have in past noticed I do gain better with an ADS, within reason. If for no other reason than it increases time under tension and I seem to respond to time more so than absolute tension.

And thank you, I’m hoping to reach my end goals within a year. If I can keep attaining these cheap and easy gains I’ll be there.

I though I’d chime in to say I’ve started a regime based on Kypra and Manko’s protocols as of two weeks ago. I’ve got to say that I’m cautiously optimistic. I started PE early last year, gained one inch length (give or take) and about 0.2 inch girth via a scaled down JP90 routine in less than 10 months. Have been stalled on length ever since. My BPFSL has always been the same or slightly less than BPEL.

I made a Phallosan-style waist ADS using backpack strap material (and adjustable buckle), a large wooden curtain ring and loose noose attachment as described by sodium100mg over on reddit:

TT-ADS - what to buy, how to wear or around the waist or down the leg. : AJelqForYou

The loose noose method is actually quite comfortable, does not restrict circulation to the glans, and I have hung 3kg off it so far without glans discomfort. The key to this attachment not slipping is the fabric mesh shields. I use the ADS for cold pre-stretch (about 0.5kg) for 20 min. I guess since there is no stretch in the backpack webbing material that this is more of a stress-relax stretch.

I then do a heated (IR bulb) conditioning stretch for 20 mins by stress relax hanging of 1.25 - 1.75Kg SO. I implement the stress relax by locking the wire to my desk via a strong spring-loaded clamp and then sitting as still as possible :-) . I then take a 5 minute break and proceed to two 10 minute heated strain sets —- the first with 2.25 - 2.5kg, and the second with 2.5kg for the full 10 minutes. Again, this is stress relax via the same mechanism. Heating is via rice sock under shaft and IR bulb directly above for the strain sets, and there is 5 minutes rest between and after these two sets. Then I finish up with Kypra’s cyclic 30 second manual stretches (5 minutes total for me at the moment). If I’m doing the math correctly, then I’m seeing strain percentages between 2.2 and 3%. After my strain sets last week I measured a BPFSL of 7.25"; after my last workout this week I measured 7.4". Amazing. It was actually closer to 7.5, but I decided to record conservatively. Under this protocol is the first time I’ve felt a sort of "giving way" sensation in the tissues. The stretch starts to feel uncomfortable after a bit and then it seems to give and the discomfort recedes. I guess this is the stress relaxation effect. The nice thing is that this protocol does not take inordinate amounts of time and, with any luck, I’m starting to see some results without having to use excessive weight.

I do this routine for three days per week (Monday - Wednesday) and then a light girth workout on Thursday. Friday - Sunday are rest.

Of course, I haven’t gone to US yet. I’m hoping to make progress without forking out for a machine.

Anyhow, I had set myself a goal to reach 7.5" BPEL by the end of this year, and had started to somewhat despair. Now I have cautious amounts of hope. Thanks Kypra & Manko!

Yeah. There is no harm with the ADS use unless it jeopardizes resting somehow.
I used it sometime myself but have found that it is not giving me any edge, so I have stripped it of.

Now that I have clearer picture your regime sounds just fine.

Hi Zaphod and Thanks for your compliments,

Seems that you have adopted these methods really nice. Hope you get going with the BPFSL gains once they have started to come at really good increments.

What you are describing is the stress relaxation. Especially doing it cold it feels clearly that way.

I hope you to stay productive and prove again that the concept is not dependent on any particular equipment. User can do it which way he likes if the principles are right.

Thanks Kyrpa. I’m going to stick at these weights while there continues to be improvements in BPFSL. There was a lot to read through and digest in this thread (and others where you have commented), I believe that you suggest not rushing to increase weight; and when increases are made, only small amounts of extra weight are required.

You´ll find out if you dig deeper that the girth job is there.

But my approach have been for some time divided into Periods, periods have divided in two parts.
The beginning is concentrating for bringing elongation on BPFSL.
Second part has girth work for trying to induce the volumetric growth for trying to catch up the difference between BPFSL and BPEL.

If I have made the difference 2 cm at its best, I urgently need to fill the room available. This speed up the BPEL gains.
BPFSL is the main thing I am after then comes the BPEL gains by growing the volume available now that there is room for it.
Cavernous volume expanding brings out the BPEL gains.

I managed to have girth gains hand in hand to certain point. But volumetric gains have time depended limitations , nature can´t be forced.

Exactly.

Great suggestion. I like it better that what I was planning for my next macro cycle. I ordered a luggage scale too and think I will start next week.

I found this study on cyclic vs static stretching of ligament: The effects of creep and fatigue on damage accumulation in ligament | Semantic Scholar

Main things from it:
-fatigue (cyclic stretching) damages ligament faster, albeit about half the time of creep (static stretch)
-the initial increment in strain from fatigue is lower than creep but over long periods 20+hrs at 30% UTS(ultimate tensile strength) increment in strain is highly elevated (pg.55 graph)
-fiber recruitment theory (pg.88) can explain why fatigue loading (cyclic loading) can speed up the stress strain curve, meaning going through the three strain stages faster (
-this is particularly the case with high nominal stress, so cyclic loading should be done with high stress, as you suggested suggested to deal with the stiffening

pg 90 excerpt: paraphrasing "when loaded shorter fibers are recruited first and rupture first as well. With shorter fibers ruptures, larger strain is required before load is supported again, thus there is increased strain translation and toe region strain. When enough rupture, a reduction in tangent modulus (slope of the curve,meaning higher strain per stress) leading to correspondent linear-region strain."

If this fiber recruitment theory holds the way to increase strain fastest, aka. gains, is to cyclic load as that causes the most damage in the shortest amount of time, as it ruptures the shortest fibers and longer fibers need to be recruited to support the load.

Of course exercise caution with this.

On a related note, Kyrpa your cycle is about 45 to 60 days. And you have about three 1 hr workout a week. Which if you calculate, 3 times 8 weeks is 24 hrs total. Assuming (unlikely) that your stress is at 30% of UTS and resting days don’t matter, the best part of your gains should be toward the end of your 60 day cycle (highly extrapolating here) but I can see in your graph your gains don’t slow. But you mentioned they do at day 45 and on. Just a hunch but I kind of think there is a relationship here.

Get an analog fish weighing scale. I got one that’s operated by a spring that kind of works as a means to apply force and measure it. Mine’s even got a measuring tape attachment so I could measure my unit while it is being pulled.