Gaining volume with Kyrpa

No. The percentage fluctuates. We must remember only 1 mm in actual elongation can be seen as 0.5 % difference.

Also notable thing is that the measuring error actually is +-. 1mm.

Therefor operating somewhere above average of 2.5 percentage is accurate enough threshold level..

Instead of single workout I focus on trends. 45 days bracket I have been referring is the point where the strains start to diminish. Actual. BPFSL measured in resting state still continuing to gain.

Kyrpa, for the preconditioning stretch you let the 3kg stress relax correct over 30min so constant weight is not 3kg correct?

2kg or thereabouts for conditioning. And i reload it few times during 30 minutes. Performed sitting and stretching forward shaft against the seat.

3kg for heated stretch . This is more of a constant stretch. But penis and the vacuum cup buried deep in the rice sock or firmly against my thigh during stretching, stress relaxation occurs and I need to reload it once per side. Heated stretch is performed sideways 10min each direction. Only occasionally SO and these times it is purely constant load.

Loads I use are in the tolerance of +0 to +0.3kg. Accuracy greater than this is not needed.

I could do that conditioning stretch with ADS around the waist or downwards against the thigh , as I previously did with a load +1kg . But that is not efficient enough for reaching maximal elongation in 30 minutes. Therefor I used to wear it 60- 120 minutes for being sure with this sloppier style

Now with this procedure I am nailing it in 30 minutes.

Nice, I see, so it is mostly constant weight and you are adjusting for the stress relaxation effect. With the luggage scale should be easy.

On the rice sock you are heating the dorsal side? I have to heat the ventral side, as that is where my cord is, so I am not sure a rice sock could work, unless I twist so dorsal contacts the rice sock and ventral side on the top for heating. I could also use a fulcrum upside hanging and place on the dorsal and heat ventrally, but it is work.Do you heat up your rice sock as well? I think I recall you saying you do.

Sorry if these questions been asked before. It is a lot of time to skim pages and pages to find these answers..

I lock the vac cup with rubbery cushion placed between the seat and the shaft after every loading, so it is “pure” stress relaxation setup .
Hanger can do the same with using pulley and locking the wire after each loading

During heating the shaft is twisted to placing the ventral side on top. So the heat is targeted opposite, dorsal side applying US ventrally with 1 MHz in use.

Rice sock is pre heated. And it is efficient enough to keep dorsal side heated all the way.

Someone ask these things anyways time to time, so here it is said.

Oh, and I need to add that 1mHz heats rice sock as well. That much so I can occasionaly feel the single grains getting so hot that they start to feel burning the skin here and there in tiny spots.

Interesting. So if I understand correctly you are heating placing the probe on the opposite side of your actual target area because of the 2.5-5cm depth of the 1mhz wave?

I always feel more heat coming out the other end which is opposite of my target area as I place the probe on the target area. But only for the 1mhz seems to go through all the way to the end and heat the end. The 3mhz feels like heats closer and also midway region to where probe is. I did this today with gel and it is quite noticeable. I didn’t notice before as I always did US in water.

Exactly. I can get really hot sensation on dorsal side .

I saw your post on the knee point and transitional area and your conclusion that 6kg was same as 9kg. Do you find this to be definitive in your experience since then? I saw you had a day after your posts you increased your hand grip to 9kg anyway despite your conclusion of 6kg.

It is great how you broke it down. I can understand more in terms of how to apply different stress in different parts of the strain stress curve. Science man.

How is your cycle 5 coming along? I think only mm increase and 2 days only out of 5 correct?

I think the preconditioning part is quite figured out by you. More work needs to be done to understand the transition or knee point and the linear region. But according to the cyclic loading the tangent modulus decrease which is a measure of stiffness, so it must be the cyclic loading that can achieve the highest strain post knee point. What do you think about cyclic loading with heat applied vs cyclic loading without heat. All things equal i.e. preconditioning plus preheating. Just for the manual stretch part, regardless of practicality? I think the cyclic loading with heat would be the most optimal. As if you preheat and the cyclic stretch without heat, your tissue is in cooling down period. Or perhaps this is better, as the material would be more “brittle” and this cyclic would allow more fiber recruitment, and permanent stretch post workout.

I was also thinking about incorporating the manual stretch as that seems to be your main source of gains IMO, given your preconditioning setup of course.

Something like this:

Precon 20min 3kg + preheat for 10min hang at 6kg + cycle hang for 20min + heated hang constant 10min 6.5kg + manual stretch cyclic 10min = about 1 hr 10min.

I’m thinking a double heat cyclic in two periods could have an effect on the molecules like heat, cool, heat, cool. Perhaps even quick cooling can have some benefit. This could be used to deal with the post knee region perhaps.

Something like this:

Precon 20min 3kg + preheat for 10min hang at 6kg + cycle hang for 20min + heated hang constant 10min 6.5kg + manual stretch cyclic 10min = about 1 hr 10min.

I’m thinking a double heat cyclic in two periods could have an effect on the molecules like heat, cool, heat, cool. Perhaps even quick cooling can have some benefit. This could be used to deal with the post knee region perhaps.
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Manko, I like your idea of heat cool, heat cool. I’m sure you’ve mentioned it before, but what do you use to attach to the glans for the preconditioning 3kg and the 6.5kg hang? For the manual stretching are you doing any attachment or just hands? I don’t know if its just me, but my glans seems sensitive to too much weight with vacuum. I use the vac extender ADS system with coban wrap to prevent blistering, but it seems at the increased weight I still get some bruising on my glans adjacent and just ventral to the urethra from time to time. I also have the PM Pro, but it doesn’t do as well with the higher force. I know Kyrpa modifies his with two blue sluices over each other with no diapragh. Just wanted to get your take on attachment with this regimen.

Also, how many PE days are you doing and how many rest days? Whats your schedule?

Thanks for all your posts.

No problemo amigo.

I got a phallosan forte for the precon. But yesterday I used it for 30 min after coming off 100 days of a break, and I got huge blisters and blood out my urethra. lol. I haven’t been so deconditioned in such a long time that I forgot how sensitive tissue can be.

Anyway, now I will use a modified bib hardore for precon and hanging to avoid the blister.

I haven’t really done manual stretching since years ago. But I am planning to reintroduce it in my 4th macro cycle.

My 1st and 2nd and 3rd macro cycle last about 1 month each. Started in November I think last year. And I take a month off after each cycle.

Seeing how Kyrpa macro cycle is more around 2 months, I think I will extend my 4th cycle to 2 months.

For the 3kg I used vaccum for 6.5kg I use bib hanger modified. But now I plan to use all just bib hanger cause I need some time for blisters to heal.

For the modification it is based on Xenos thread. so it is more of a > shape. That is the > shape is against the load. So it helps to secure and not slip. Specially I am uncut so the > helps with the extra skin and slippage. Always use a wrap and theraband. The wrap is for comfort. The bib I modified has also therawrap glue to the sides. So my dick is therawrap and bib is therawrap, that increases friction, because it is rubber against rubber, so it helps with slippage.

I would get a hardcore bib. It is only like 40 I think.

I just had a thought guys, that all these tests they are rat tail, or MCL, and they are essentially put between two vices right? Well, when we hang, or stretch, it is one vice and at other end there is just the body.

How about having another vice proximal to the body? This could be two bib hangers acting as vices at each end, one proximal and one distal. This extra compression at the base can help to accumulate the tunica and better target the whole shaft that is left exposed without it.

Imagine how with only one hanger, or hand grip, the load is distributed along the shaft along the two tunica tubes. However with a vice on the base, this two tubes are constricted and it could enable further fibers to be stretched.

How could we stretch the two tunica constricted tubes with these two vices? It would essentially be a couple or three really long screews that would go from bib to bib, interlocking and stable, and we would just turn the screws to push the two vices apart in opposite directions, and the tunica along with them. It would replicate the experiments in the studies we are so fond off.

I bet we could enable some crazy gains. Particularly the proximal part of the shaft, as the load in all of PE is mostly distal, hardly gets any love. We could stretch these fibers proximal to our body.

I might have to buy another bib hanger to try this. It could be complicated and not practical, but in theory it is sound as far as I know.

Manko, thank you amigo! Sorry to hear about your battle wounds.

I just think I have sensitive skin on my glans, looking forward to try the bib hanger. I was checking online and is says I need to be at least 5in in girth. I don’t know if I’m unusual, but I have a tapered dick. I’m 6.0 girth at the base and 4 3/4 girth right behind the glans. Do you think it will still work?

It should be fine I think. I started using mine when I was around 5 inches IIRC. If your head is girthier it helps as well but even then I think there is no issue. My head is around 5 still anyway. Specially if you modify it to a > it helps to make the shoulders when you attach. The original config of the bib is not as >ish. And I think if it’s not enough you can always bundle more therawrap.

And sorry its $75 not $40. I thought it was cheaper. Just looked it up to get another one for my experiment. Also you may just want to get one cause the guy won’t be around for ever.

Yes I am sure 6kg is load enough but….
I have used vac attachment for 6 kg and manual grip for more kilos, as I have no accurate control on load with the hand grip at the moment it is better to ensure the results by loading with it excessively.

More tryouts have confirmed both of them producing the 1 mm additional elongation after heated stretch.
I am convinced there is confirmation that more load you put the more the tissue stiffens, as the tangent modulus decreases.

The Problem is, that with the 6kg Vac cup load it is not stable setup. Slippages occur and even if it was doable the vac pressure inside the cup rises during during the slippage and at this point of the exercise there start to be high risk of the blisters and it is sometimes uncomfortable to bear.

So on I prefer the manual hand grip for the sake of the glans. If I could find the way controlling the load with manuals without the need for ensuring the efficiency with excessive load it would be the way to go.Anyways if I start to see any signs of the abuse of the glans I choose the manual hand grip for safety reasons.

I like to see every possibilities because I would like to prove my previous statement that the efficiency of the protocol is not dependent on any equipment.
Simplifying it to basics. Conditioning stress relaxation, heated stretch and cyclic post heat stretching is the core. Choose any exercise or equipment what you like and elongate your BPFSL and rest will follow.

I should run more test reducing the load from 6kg with vac attachment. I have documented two runs with 5 kg and the results were similar. If I can get that 1mm elongation with lower load, I will take it. I would like to do more experiments regarding the passage from transitional region, going down on loads.
4kg heated stretch didn´t bring me the additional elongation what 5 kg post heat cyclic stretching did.

Remains unknown if anything in the range of 3,5- 4,5 kg cyclic stretching brings me the result repeatedly.
Then it would be comfortable and reliable to perform with PM vac cup and luggage scale as a load indicator.

Everything happens in the window of 1mm at the transition from the transitional region to the stiffening part of the slope . So single exercise with data points is only rough model. But series of data points with varying loads around the transitional region embed in one data set should confirm a lots of things.

For the heated cyclic stretching it would be one more tools in the box if not achieving results.
But the post heat cyclic stretching as the tissues cool down would be needed anyways.
Or when performing heated cyclic stretching then cooling down after in the maximal elongation with fixed lengths on extender would do the trick, achieved now with cyclic stretching while tissues cool down.

For your proposition I would say you should try.. Every maneuver which is productive, and confirmed by measuring the productivity , and confirmed by accelerated progression are welcomed in the tool box. Brought out in to play if needed.
I am going other direction with the procedure, simplifying it to the point it is still productive. Not bringing any new numbers for additional complexity if they are not needed.

So this kind of answers you when asked how are my cycles going. They are productive enough to fit identically in the slopes of the charts from previous Periods.

I am curious to see if you can accelerate your gains comparing to previous results with these tweaks on your routines.

Have you ever tried using water in your vac hanger ?

I’ve used it for a few years, it grips way better than air.

You can still get blisters if you go too heavy for too long but for shorter heavy hangs or manual stretches it’s great.