Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Thanks. This is my third round. First time at late 90´s. No permanent gains during few months. Next time a decade ago with permanent gain from 17cm to 18 cm and some girth gains which had disappeared before the third round. I can`t recall how long I tried but several months.

So after these stupid ancient try outs, I say this is my first year with some thoughts involved in the process.

I cut the cable and opened the box for reuniting them. I have the skills and I don´t recommend if not an electrician.But it is not so demanding task.

I have read everything Xenolith have done quite many times. I have already made some prototypes and tested much more sophisticated devices. His approach is brutal break it and fix it kind of way. The whole concept of his is much more violent than what you see here. I am not in to a breaking anything business.

And don´t get me wrong here , I am admirer of his work. Methods he promoted are efficient to some that for sure.

Kypra,

Thats what I thought, moving into unchartered territory with US assisted PE, don’t want to risk cooking our unit. I am following you procedure starting Monday next week. I actually started a couple of weeks ago. I bought the PM system, and the mouth vacuum hose attachment (rather than the bulb) but think I created too much vacuum. I then got so excited that the fixation worked so well that I overwork it in an ADS scenario and got a wicked blister on my glans. My girlfriend thought I had an STD. I had some serious explaining to do.

After reading all this thread and others, I am ditching the IPR method all together. I’ve plateau’d for a frustrating year. Now that I have the US (Sound Care plus) I will be following your procedure and documenting carefully.

Thanks again, and also to you Manko for all of your detailed information and time invested in helping improve the knowledge base in this new frontier of US assisted PE.

Kyrpa,

What are you using for fixation to the glans for the 30 - 50 min conditioning stretch? I have an ADS vac hanger system, which I wrap the glans with coban tape before, and it works well I never ever get a blister, and now the PM system which I am still getting used to. I was reading you are using the PM cup for the US heated 20min with 3kg pull. I’m assuming for the cyclic manual stretching you are just grabbing with your hand. I have been experimenting with doing the fulcrum stretches over the larger US head, it is about the same width as my stretched unit. I feel like it works well.

I use nothing. And there is no inside diaphragm either. I wear two blue sluices together on inside another. This is the only way with my glans to get it gripping strong enough for the loads I am carrying. Once the glans is in and gripping I detach the inner of them blue sluices from the collar as this will form better grip also.

The original valve went broken in a week or so. Therefor I have mounted a LeLuv Quick disconnect valve instead. And I use a pump with a gauge.
Abusing these equipment forces in home engineering sometimes.

Next one comes with a warning:
I start with the pressure of 15 inHG, and quite often there is need to adjust it as the there are leaks pressure dropping down to 5 InHG still gripping but glans coming out of the chamber.

I don´t recommend it to anyone. Hear hear.

But the truth is if the glans fills the whole chamber the risk for blisters is smaller even the pressure is great.
What I would recommend is to get rid of the original inside diaphragm and start to use some form of head protector for the tip of the glans.

Now that I have come used to it I have no problems. But I have had blisters though.
Once when the stretch was over one hour long and the cup went hot using it under hot shower. And it was bad and long lasting.
Second time it was very small but next to a urethra opening. This came after a long break. It cured in a day.

As a summary I can say that with the original setup I can´t run the protocol.

I prefer to do manual stretching with hand grip. Other hand as a fulcrum.

As a healthcare I am using cream dairy farmers use on their cows udders, which are pulled several times a day just as we do with our dicks.
And it is working nicely as a jelqing lubricant also. Skin is healthy and no discoloration has occurred. Strongly recommend.

Kyrpa,

Congratulations on exceeding the 8.5” target. It slipped my awareness since I am targeting length myself but you have gained in girth appreciably the past year as well (1.65cm). I look forward to trying the 30 seconds on 15 seconds off. I will also use that cream to prevent discoloration. The hanging with chains sounds interesting. Thanks again.

I was wondering, any observations regarding post session fatigue?

Thanks NicholasVan. Keep it safe and efficient.

Yeah. PI. These are the gray area, not measurable. Only practical PI which is absolute is EQ.

While working out the the fatigue is definitely there. But the physical condition , amount of rest , stress and all the environmental variables are tweaking the feeling.

As a guideline I have had to abort the exercise if felt anything unusually fatiguing.
As I have measurable evident of the efficacy of the workouts I have no need to unnecessarily push the envelope.
If I am physically tired or in need for sleep I am not going to workout at all.

Then again If not having 1 mm gain in every 5 day cycle I will try to perform workouts more efficient way by tweaking variables.

I feel fatigue and arising discomfort at the end of the heated stretch. Manual stretches are felt exhaustive and if continued more than 10 minutes , they start to feel little bit painful or at least discomfort level is at 90%.

During the three days workouts the post session fatigue is cumulatively increasing . I am forced to have rest after day three as the penis starting to be sore all the way from the base to the glans. Some sort of tingling is felt usually at the distal half of the penis at this point. EQ drops at day three also significantly.
After two days of rest I feel fresh and ready.

One thing I can say that my EQ has been much better this period, and I suspect it is because not jelqing. Each time I have have done jelqing the EQ has dropped for days.

I gained girth steadily for 9 months. Now the development has stalled with girth.

I don´t know how much of the girth expansion has come from the actual new gains and how much from the tissue memory.
Unfortunately I don´t have the numbers available but I remember having bigger girth than 13.15 cm where from I started this present journey.
A decade ago I had this extender/ pumping period and at the time I guess to have nearly 14 cm circumference and as it has turned out not being permanent.

Volumetric growth has it limitations, while gaining length at this pace, volumetric expansion serves the the catching up of the difference between BPEL and BPFSL.
Which difference is in my case quite remarkable.
I am sure I will get back on gaining girth if I abstain from heavy duty stretching lenghtwise and continuing with girth orientated exercises.

It’s a good idea as weight increments would be less. I already try a similar version with water bottled. Each waterbottle weighs in at 0.8kg. So when I hang let’s say 8kg I start at 6kg and increase weight every 5min until reach 8kg or so. This has been mostly done to deal with discomfort. But I always kept thinking gradual loading would cause less stiffinining effect. For anyone who wants to try this just put the bottles in a big bag and that’s it.

I didnt really think about IPR when I wrote that but I did mention tears so theres that. Whatever the mechanism it seems clear from the graph that tendon is more susceptible to elongation using cyclic loading. It could be simply the material weakening. As let’s say metal weakens when heated or bent. When bent over and over back and forth a metal wire becomes weak and easy to break. It could be a similar effect for the tunica or cord. This strong material may not tear but at some physical level weakens in the cyclic loading allowing easier strain dynamics. Versus constant loading I think cyclical seems to triumph as per your results.

So I think maybe using your chain concept and cyclic loading one could find the perfect weight increment so that it minimizes stiffening and maximizes gradual strain to a max weight at the end of the stress strain curve.

For a 20min sesshion 1min on 20 secs off total 15min hang 15 cycles and 5min rest 15 rest periods. One could do a 30min conditioning stretch as you do at 3kg, preheat, and hang from 3kg increase 0.3kg every min, 4.5kg total, max weight 7.5kg. Or even conditioning stretch starts from 0.

How did you come up with 30 seconds and 15 seconds by the way? Is the 15 seconds based on some fact about cooling period or arbitrary?

Compromise. Firstly there is this 10 minutes timeframe after US heat source is excluded.
Then there is this minimum of 10 repetitions for cyclic stretch with the viscoleastic biological material before the stress strain curve becomees repeateable.

Then the stretch should be ramped up slowly, and ligamentous tissue should be held in the stretch for minimum of 15 seconds.

If are about to fit more than 10 streches in 10 minutes we have maximum of 30 sec. for rest.

Then there are curves seen as attached Picture shows that the elastic recovery with viscoelastic material has initial sudden drop on strain when stretch is released before ramping down in damped fashion.

Here comes the need for the recovery time of only half the strain time.

…..before ramping down in dampened fashion…..

Is your precondition stretch with extender?

At the moment no. Previously it was , with the setup including stiffer springs mounted on PM . Good results but I started to feel it uncomfortable at the base.

Now I am using elastic band , luggage scale connected between as a load indicator. I have special rubbery cushion for locking the vac cup against while sitting. Re loading few times during 30 min, after stress relaxation occurs on the shaft.

At the moment I don´t use the extender at all for actual stretching, for the calibrated base line measurement only for ten minutes with 0,6 kg, when taking comparable data points.

There is no dependency on equipment while using this concept. As long as you can perform the stress relaxation based conditioning stretch , heated stretching and the cyclic stretching at the end, it is up to practitioner how he manages this all.

Extender, elastic bands, hanger, manuals etc. There are various possibilities available. Even pumping and clamping with certain tweaks applied.