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Kyrpa

That was a nice recap of your method.

Thank you man!

Originally Posted by Buckfever
Great synopsis!

Thank you guys for being as supportive as always.

Originally Posted by Patrik_16
Kyrpa
That was a nice recap of your method.
Thank you man!


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Your ongoing progress is inspirational. I have been seeing steady progress using your routine as the model for my own PE.

Thanks for sharing your methods and reasoning.

Looking forward to getting an US device soon, but waiting to hear about how this works for girth while clamping. This might be biggest thing for girth PE since the penis pump.

Originally Posted by Growing4it
Your ongoing progress is inspirational. I have been seeing steady progress using your routine as the model for my own PE.
Thanks for sharing your methods and reasoning.

Thank you. Keep them gains coming.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by HalfLife
Looking forward to getting an US device soon, but waiting to hear about how this works for girth while clamping. This might be biggest thing for girth PE since the penis pump.

First impressions are that the US with 1.6w / cm2 is not enough to heat clamped penis quick enough. I am purchasing another one and running them as a pair.

I am going to run temperature control tests for clamped unit as well. Using single and dual transducer variations.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
First impressions are that the US with 1.6w / cm2 is not enough to heat clamped penis quick enough. I am purchasing another one and running them as a pair.

I am going to run temperature control tests for clamped unit as well. Using single and dual transducer variations.

Please don’t let anyone ever tell you that you are not doing God’s work.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Have been pondering this and the yearly wrap-up as well. If the log have somewhat hard to read or to understand content I hope this will clarify some of it further.

Getting widely appreciated it is not entirely in my hands. Widely appreciation comes if there start to be other users adopting the methods, principles or even the whole concept as it is.
If them finding the value, we should be hearing from them I suppose. I am not hurrying to push it as I have enough in my hands and brains already running this operation alone with a clock ticking.

That said I surely like to encourage some of the victims of plateauing or hard to gain worries study these things. Changing nothing in their approach they will achieve nothing from here to infinity.
Easy gainers continue do just fine with traditional methods, though these tricks found in here could push them even further or get them more awarding results with permanent elongation.
As you wish here is what I recall for having found in layman´s terms, put in the frame of one years in wrap up.

CONCEPT
Officially signed off from IPR methods. Not trying to cause micro-failures on collagenous tissue, not trying to trigger inflammation response with exercises. No progressive workouts either increasing loads nor workout volume, surely not giving any thought on any form of progressive overloading.
Keeping only the having enough rest between workout cycles and using decon breaks adopted from the IPR- environment.
Everything is based on doing as little as possible harm or damage with maximum results possible.

PENIS UNDER STRETCHING INDUCED STRESS
When stretched cold if we progressively introduce more load with 10 minutes intervals, penis stretches linearly behaving to a certain load and/or time before not seeing any additional elongation.
Adding more load at this point doesn´t give more strain unless we keep hanging multiple times longer if at all.
It is measurable and be can be confirmed by testing and measuring.

After all the initial elastic elongation is reached penile tissues stiffen radically resisting any additional strain to form. After this everything is just brutal forcing and hopeful fishing without heating.
If tissues are heated during stretching the achieved elongation is significantly better.
Heated to therapeutic temperatures tissues elongate further before the stiffening occurs.

If we were to increase loads further by a huge amounts, the stiffening should ease at some load and loading time and we will reach the proportional range (elastic).
There on the stretched behaviour is linear again but the needed loads are really heavy and loading times should be really long.

HEAT
With therapeutic heat 40° to 43 °C (104° to 110 °F) we can have significantly better strain while stretching.
In this context it means having maximum of 2 % strain when stretching at natural temperature.
When heating as described the strain can be anything between 2,5% - 4,5% from pre exercise BPFSL.
Heating above 40° C (104° F) collagenous tissues can go through thermodynamic induced plastic deformation during stretching.
Stretching induced elongation while operating under therapeutic temperatures results significantly less damage in the tissue than stretched “cold” for the similar strain percentages or even beyond.

PERMANENT ELONGATION
This plastic deformation will result as permanent elongation some portion of the stretched length not recovering back to baseline.
In this context we are talking about 1mm permanent elongation on BPFSL within three workouts inside 5 days bracket.
Without heat plastic deformation occur only in small percentage of the structure therefor permanent elongation hard to achieve and the gain rates being minimal.
Having the whole collagenous structure under plastic deformation without thermodynamic deformation would need strain percentages of 6-8 % and to achieve this we would need hanging time and load sky high. So differing from the descriptions from many PE practitioners me included , we are not going to reach plastic region with stretching by any means in single exercise.

MAXIMIZING RESIDUAL ELONGATION
Keeping elongated tissues stretched at maximal length during the cooldown from therapeutic temperatures provide better permanent elongation than letting tissues cool down freely.
It can be done as we wish but I have found it productive with extender at fixed length or manual cyclic stretching during tissues cooldown. Preferring manual stretching method for reason I have been getting some extra strain due the procedure. It has been measurable indicating 1 mm additional elongation topping already achieved lengthening while stretching under heat. As we can calculate 1mm extra resulting significantly on total strain percentage.
We have confirmed by testing tissues cooldown time to be minimum of 10 minutes.

DURATION OF THE ELONGATION PERIOD, WORKOUTS AND REST
Stretching workouts produce elongation with this concept from 4,5 % - up to 7 % from the BPFSL measured as a baseline at day one of the Period.
After the post exercise BPFSL not showing any additional elongation the focus is turned to repeating it for ten exercise minimum for cementing the permanent elongation. Not trying to force the elongation by any means of overloading etc. This occurs at 30 -45 days margin.

The focus is the then move for girth exercises which are used to keep BPEL progression on going.
Penis is a 3-dimensional volume and volumetric enlargement is needed to form BPEL gains.
BPEL and BPFSL are elongating further to take a plateau at 60-70 days for BPFSL.
This is the stage the working Period is called off. Any longitudinal stretching after this is not going to be anything but counterproductive.
Either going to prolonged rest or continuing with girth, using methods not stressing tissues excessively longitudinally.

Everything is already put up in details in the log with multiple documents and references if someone find this raising interests.


Amazing work!!! I have a suspicion this log and all your work will bring about a revolution in the PE community and many more men will teach their goals because of it.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Originally Posted by HalfLife
Please don’t let anyone ever tell you that you are not doing God’s work.

Thank guys. But I suggest you to hold your horses. Why don´t we just build one cock at time.

Involving Gods usually means dependency on believing. And believing happens to be the first variable to remove from the equation if we are about to build them cocks in efficient fashion.

Originally Posted by longerstretch
Amazing work!!! I have a suspicion this log and all your work will bring about a revolution in the PE community and many more men will teach their goals because of it.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

It points to anecdotal evidence which is many times the best we can hope for. However you’re using science in both studies and collecting of data which I find exciting. I’m sure new data will come forward from you, others and me but it’s still exciting to see your techniques and results in action. They’ve definitely been working for me and for reasons I think just as you describe and again is backed by studies.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Kyrpa.

This is my first day..

What did you do on your first day? What workout?

Could I send you a message, please?

Originally Posted by mirado38
Kyrpa.

This is my first day..

What did you do on your first day? What workout?

Could I send you a message, please?

I surely took some measurements.
If I was you and starting this all from the scratch I would spend few months reading and studying. That was the case with me also.
Performing newbie routines starting with jelqing. Then applying manual stretching and extender.

You can post me If you like and I surely try to help you if I can. But to be honest I think that the info I can bring is more valuable for hard gainers and experienced PE’ers suffering from plateauing than for new comers. I am sure there are better guys than me to answer anything newbie related.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Looking forward to the dual US tests.

I tried US with clamping before underwater and also found it was not enough with just 1 US.

Id suggest you try the tunica tenderizer that xeno made after your dual US heating under clamp. I gained some girth from that last year trying his methods. Get the best girth expansion ever. Only problem is youd be clamped for long periods. Maybe heat without clamp and then clamp and do tt could be viable.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Originally Posted by manko007
Looking forward to the dual US tests.

I tried US with clamping before underwater and also found it was not enough with just 1 US.

Id suggest you try the tunica tenderizer that xeno made after your dual US heating under clamp. I gained some girth from that last year trying his methods. Get the best girth expansion ever. Only problem is youd be clamped for long periods. Maybe heat without clamp and then clamp and do tt could be viable.

Yeah. I will run the tests just keep it calm:) . But not yet have the equipment.

Now I have been doing experiments with 48mm and 54 mm cylinders used as a stress relaxation tools utilizing the Poisson ratio by restricting the length while in the cylinder. And I am having better expansion clamping after these manouvers.

Using different pressures, timing and heating by ricesocks. I actually even place the cylinders and my squeezer in the oven with 45-50° C before using them.
There seems to be very thin line between actual expansion and excessive fluid retention with heated pumping.

And I have already my second edition of the squeezer with a special double clamp modified for it.

The girth is responding well and I am optimistic for gains once the protocol and equiment are in the form for having the consistency on workouts.

What comes in the tenderdizer and tigertraps etc. I get what you are aiming for. But they are not exactly what I am looking for, something similar but utilizing compression differently. Smoother and non-violently. Xeno was looking for micro failures. I am avoiding them. With the mindset that guy has, he would build his weapon way sooner with certain tool in his disposal.

I´ll get back on these thats for sure. Still in the making :)


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa

What comes in the tenderdizer and tigertraps etc. I get what you are aiming for. But they are not exactly what I am looking for, something similar but utilizing compression differently. Smoother and non-violently. Xeno was looking for micro failures. I am avoiding them. With the mindset that guy has, he would build his weapon way sooner with certain tool in his disposal.

Yeah that is true what Xeno was going for was micro failures with his sharp tt teeth. But what I was envisioning with US was that the compression with TT with clamp restricting blood, causes radial expansion of tunica fibers, aka lengthening, as we have been doing with US lengthwise, just this time we go radially. By this I mean the TT doesn’t need to be sharp teeth to cause the micro failures, just cause inner pressure to rise above the clamp levels to cause the radial lengthening. I think your trying the same with compressing it via poison ratio as well. You can accomplish this with other things, like rolling your dick with a bread roller if you want, but the tt is easier, specially the one I build with the wood clamps. Just dull the teeth of the TT to make it softer for your skin, and just cause the compression for inner pressure to rise and cause the pressure to expand the tunica from the inside going all directions and forcing the radial fibers to elongate.

Also, on another note, I did a test with the Pw140l thermedic far infrared heating pad, that some people use for heating, and got good heating results. Check it out:

min
5 92.8
9 96.6
11 98
14 101
17 102
19 104
20 105.4

It took 20min to get to 105.4 farenheit. I wrapped the pad around shaft and secured it tightly using xenos CC (cock coil). This way the heat is conductive, so the closer the pad is to the shaft via the cc the better the heat transfer.

I’ve been wondering what the temp was with the wrap as I’ve been using it for preconditioning hang tests at 3kg for 30 min, and got good heat feeling, so I did the test just now and found this temperature with thermometer test.

I am thinking it can be used somehow, maybe you have some good ideas. One caveat was temp of 105.4 was with probe right before glans ridge inside urethra depth. But going deeper down shaft the temp went down to 102-103. This may be due to poor conductivity with pad, and not tightening CC enough.

Also, the temp could be higher when stretching shaft as the shaft thins out, thus less volume to heat. With probe, I was just flacid state so the shaft girth is quite larger.

Another problem is heat ramp is really slow. 17min to get to 102. Maybe one can heat with US, and then wrap and keep stretching with a vac hanger or so at therapeautic temperatures.

Do you think extending the US heat of 20min, to US heat of 20min + 20min IR pad at 105 degrees could have some meaningful benefit for strains?

Maybe it can be used on top of your rice sock while US heating as well.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

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