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Gaining volume with Kyrpa

I am putting together my protocol to start my US therapy. I just need to get my hands on a 3Mhz US. But I will share with everybody.

Originally Posted by igigi
I am putting together my protocol to start my US therapy. I just need to get my hands on a 3Mhz US. But I will share with everybody.

Fine choice. Curious to see what you can reach. Now knowing your history and the way you approach this sport , I am sure there will be results and something to learn as well.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Decon report 1

DECON +60 Days wrap up.

BPEL 22.5m ->21.9 - 0.6 cm
BPFSL 23.9cm->23.5 -0.4 cm
MSEG* 15.2cm -> 14.83 -0.37 cm
BPFL 18.5cm + 0.0 cm

*Documented mseg is average from base (16.0), midshaft (14.5) and behind the glans girth (14.0) for more accurate volume calculation

I have been on the decon for two months. Not done anything PE related during to date.
Some size has been lost ,which is completely normal, and I really don´t assume the reduction in size going any further than this.
Lately I have ramdomly crabbed the penis in v-grip and made some gentle pulls just for to evaluate the elasticity by the feel.
I have not measured but the impression is that the unit is more elastic and stretchy than at the end of the PE periods.

I think that I will extend the decon longer than initially planned. I have not even purchaced the ESWT machine I am planning to use for the decon experiment.
Once I got the equipment, I will make a series of tests to determine the measured elasticity and other features of the penis before starting the treatment period with the shockwave.

I am still pondering which one of the affordable machinery would be the best choice.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I find it very interesting to hear it’s “stretchier” then when you were into PE. Thanks for the update.

Originally Posted by train spot
I find it very interesting to hear it’s “stretchier” then when you were into PE. Thanks for the update.

Cheers Trainspot,

Well I do think that some positives have developed during the decon. Anyways it can be checked out with doing one or two sessions with the established methods.
Hopefully it is real not just a feeling. I am enthusiastic too.

I am eager to continue and the positive pressure of getting started is growing day by day already.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Cheers Trainspot,

Well I do think that some positives have developed during the decon. Anyways it can be checked out with doing one or two sessions with the established methods.
Hopefully it is real not just a feeling. I am enthusiastic too.

I am eager to continue and the positive pressure of getting started is growing day by day already.

Very curious how the ESWT will work during recon. I thought about that too because it works great in vascularity, and that’s exactly what the penis needs to catch up with septum/tunica growth.

Originally Posted by igigi
Very curious how the ESWT will work during recon. I thought about that too because it works great in vascularity, and that’s exactly what the penis needs to catch up with septum/tunica growth.

That can be a important aspect as well. I am approaching this from different angle though.
I am aiming to experimentaly interfere the way the ECM of the elongated structures possibly remodel them selves during the decon.
The gains started to diminish and I would like to know how to re-boot the progress if possible. Tweaking the homeostasis, residual stress and possibly setting the new pre-stress where to build from.

ESWT can cause significant collagen degradation after initially introduced on healthy tissues and the start to heal it after. (attached study)

I have touched the subject lightly on this post. I will get into it more in the future.
Mechanotransduction and extracellular matrix homeostasis

The growth induced residual stress on the collagenous ECM can be the major further growth inhibiting factor there is. The adaptation to external forces may continue possibly only to a certain point by growth. If there is a way to somehow disturb this homeostasis then further gains should be possible

More of the Growth and Remodeling of Load-Bearing Biological Soft Tissues:
https://www.ncb i.nlm.nih.gov/p … nihms800185.pdf
https://dev.bio logists.org/con … pdf?with-ds=yes
airlich.de - This website is for sale! - airlich Resources and Information.

What we should understand that the science have geared their interests towards of this kind of studies with soft tissues relatively lately. With bones and the skeletal muscle the research has gone substantially further already.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

That ncbi read is great, I’ll have to read it carefully, there are so many words i don’t understand in it, but thanks to google I am like a scientist. Thanks for the links, when i go for ncbi reading i have the habbit of giving up, or getting “lost” in so many articles, because they all sound very interesting, i usually end up with so many links in onetab that I get tired reading the titles. But when someone lays it out for me, like you did, the least i can do is do my best in understanding it.

Originally Posted by train spot
That ncbi read is great, I’ll have to read it carefully, there are so many words i don’t understand in it, but thanks to google I am like a scientist. Thanks for the links, when i go for ncbi reading i have the habbit of giving up, or getting “lost” in so many articles, because they all sound very interesting, i usually end up with so many links in onetab that I get tired reading the titles. But when someone lays it out for me, like you did, the least i can do is do my best in understanding it.

I am a student of PE as well. I was a student of bodybuilding and in some aspect still am.
I have brought this topic on the table because PE community should study. It is useless for us to even think medical authorities will apparently tell us how to build massive penises.

What they are bringing us is a basic up to date studies on soft tissue growth and development. The principles and limitations.
To be completely honest despite the PE community has witnessed penis growth, I am afraid the community knows basicly nothing about it.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
That can be a important aspect as well. I am approaching this from different angle though.
I am aiming to experimentaly interfere the way the ECM of the elongated structures possibly remodel them selves during the decon.
The gains started to diminish and I would like to know how to re-boot the progress if possible. Tweaking the homeostasis, residual stress and possibly setting the new pre-stress where to build from.

ESWT can cause significant collagen degradation after initially introduced on healthy tissues and the start to heal it after. (attached study)

I have touched the subject lightly on this post. I will get into it more in the future.
Mechanotransduction and extracellular matrix homeostasis

The growth induced residual stress on the collagenous ECM can be the major further growth inhibiting factor there is. The adaptation to external forces may continue possibly only to a certain point by growth. If there is a way to somehow disturb this homeostasis then further gains should be possible

More of the Growth and Remodeling of Load-Bearing Biological Soft Tissues:
https://www.ncb i.nlm.nih.gov/p … nihms800185.pdf
https://dev.bio logists.org/con … pdf?with-ds=yes
airlich.de - This website is for sale! - airlich Resources and Information.

What we should understand that the science have geared their interests towards of this kind of studies with soft tissues relatively lately. With bones and the skeletal muscle the research has gone substantially further already.

Unfortunately the pdf attachment seems to be not working,so here is another attempt.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Those studies are absolutely amazing. I am sure we are entering into the field of gene expression, genetic limitations that regulate homeostasis, similar to what happens in bodybuilding with Myostatin.

You are certainly in the correct path to find a way to “trick” this homeostasis and reset the capability to regain growth.

Originally Posted by igigi
Those studies are absolutely amazing. I am sure we are entering into the field of gene expression, genetic limitations that regulate homeostasis, similar to what happens in bodybuilding with Myostatin.

You are certainly in the correct path to find a way to “trick” this homeostasis and reset the capability to regain growth.

Well, I actually think that the whole mechanotransduction theme should be carefullly investigated if we like to move this scene forward.
The science can be taking huge leaps in the near future and hopefully we will benefit as well.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

ATTENTION EVERYONE:

For all those following the US technology, reading these threads, preparing to follow your own therapy and preparing to buy a US machine, if you decide to buy the US Pro 2000, there are two types. US Pro 2000 and US Pro 2000 2nd Edition.

YOU MUST GET THE US Pro 2000 2nd Edition. Only the 2nd Edition functions in continuous mode. The standard US Pro 2000 works only on pulse mode which would be useless for our purpose.

I discovered this little detail during my research, getting closer and closer to start, since this piece of equipment is portable it has limited configurations. Only a bigger desktop expensive equipment will allow you to chose pulse or continuous.

Again, if you decide to buy the same portable transducer that Kyrpa based his research on, make sure you buy the US Pro 2000 2nd edition.

Possible Breakthrough

Temperature control experiments for external temperature monitoring getting started. Controlling the temperature without urethral probe during ultrasound treatment might be possible after all.

Initial results are promising. This is just a teaser , there is more to come during the weekend.

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START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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